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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 12:06 PM
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So, I have finally got my new differential gearset installed, did it by removing the old bearings, grinding out the inside a bit so they would fit over the shafts with hand pressure, and trial and error to give correct tooth pattern and backlash. Then I pressed on the new bearings using the same shims.

Anyhow, here's the question - do I need to install the circlips on the stub axles. According to Tom Falkener at Claremont Corvette, and Tony Morgan at Cas Am, they are better left out, since they serve no function but to hold the stubs in during delivery and transportation of the diff assembly. If they break up in use they will cause mega damage to the diff. Probably.

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Anyhow, here's the question - do I need to install the circlips on the stub axles. According to Tom Falkener at Claremont Corvette, and Tony Morgan at Cas Am, they are better left out, since they serve no function but to hold the stubs in during delivery and transportation of the diff assembly. If they break up in use they will cause mega damage to the diff. Probably.

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Buffalo Chips!!! If that is all they were for, they'd have taped them in, or would have built a special fixture to retain them for shipping. The end play on the yoke shafts is an adjustable clearance, to be set with select fit snap rings, not just "anything" that keeps them from falling out. The end play spec is .0005" to .0085". Ask Jessie (ski-dwn-it) what happens when you don't retain the half shaft yoke shafts. Are you beginning to understand why this job is best left to those with the experience and tools? I've got my fingers crossed for you AND this diff.

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Buffalo Chips!!! If that is all they were for, they'd have taped them in, or would have built a special fixture to retain them for shipping. The end play on the yoke shafts is an adjustable clearance, to be set with select fit snap rings, not just "anything" that keeps them from falling out. The end play spec is .0005" to .0085". Ask Jessie (ski-dwn-it) what happens when you don't retain the half shaft yoke shafts. Are you beginning to understand why this job is best left to those with the experience and tools? I've got my fingers crossed for you AND this diff.
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I take that as a "NO" then?
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 03:24 PM
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there are special gauges and dials that are used to set gears. it's not something done by trial and error, unless you are a) lucky as hell or b) rich, and can afford new gears.

get that gear set to someone with tools...
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Maybe it's just me, but do I sense a bit of negativity here.

Oh - and yes, discouraging though it may be, within these parameters, I am rich. This is MY car. I do the work. Give me the info - I will take the consequences.

Thanks for the help and info though, it has been genuinely useful, and for that I thank you both.

John
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It's not so much negativity, it's knowing what it takes to do the job safely.

if the lash isn't right, you will tear things up... that's expensive!!!
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we have left the clip out of every C3 and C4 rear we have done. they do not serve any purpose unless it breaks a half shaft
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I take that as a "NO" then?
To the question, "Anyhow, here's the question - do I need to install the circlips on the stub axles." It is a YES!!!
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we have left the clip out of every C3 and C4 rear we have done. they do not serve any purpose unless it breaks a half shaft
Now THERE is an opposing viewpoint. Like THAT has never happened. I guess you have your choice. It makes me wonder why there is a spec for the shaft end play and different thickness snap rings offered?

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To the question, "Anyhow, here's the question - do I need to install the circlips on the stub axles." It is a YES!!! Now THERE is an opposing viewpoint. Like THAT has never happened. I guess you have your choice. It makes me wonder why there is a spec for the shaft end play and different thickness snap rings offered?

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30 yrs of drag racing, countless broken half shafts and never once has the stub axle come out of the center section
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Differing opinions or not, this is a job best left to a pro who knows the procedure, not in your backyard.

A local guy charges a flat rate of $150 to do a gear swap. I think it's worth it to have it done correctly.....the first time.
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Originally Posted by vetteman9368
30 yrs of drag racing, countless broken half shafts and never once has the stub axle come out of the center section
After Ski-dwn-it installed his spool, that allows for no provision to retain the yoke shafts, he found it worth while to tear it back apart to MAKE a provision to keep the yoke shaft from moving.

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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
After Ski-dwn-it installed his spool, that allows for no provision to retain the yoke shafts, he found it worth while to tear it back apart to MAKE a provision to keep the yoke shaft from moving.

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interesting, still doesn't change my results
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interesting, still doesn't change my results
Your results are interesting, but your results don't change my opinion. Touche.

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Back to square one then, non the bloody wiser!

I put the clips back in just for the record.

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Back to square one then, non the bloody wiser!
Those freaking colonials will fight about anything
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Originally Posted by britvette
Back to square one then, non the bloody wiser!

I put the clips back in just for the record.

what you have here are 2 people who have different experiences.

My guess is this, the one without the clips was flirting with disaster.
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