Intercooler built into the manifold
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From: Honeoye Ny
Intercooler built into the manifold
I have been doing alot of research on the laminova extrusions ( www.laminova.com )and their use in intercooling (like on the new 440 hp blown northstar) It seems there are 3 sets of passagways in the extrusion. The airflow over the outside (high aspect ratio finned) is reputed to help with flow distribution and provide the lowest pressure drop when comapred to bar/plate and tube finned designs also the inner wall has the water based coolant in it, but there are passage ways in the outer wall in between the two that could be used to carry the leftovers from the suction line in the a/c. Really cold intake temps on boost and off.
That all adds up to a much shorter distance from turbo to cylinder, and eliminates alot of busy looking plumbing from under the hood. I am gonna contact the guys in there U.S. branch about getting some of these extrusions,and what their capabilites are.
Pretty soon you might be able to send me your manifold and get back an intake capable of chillin' a 1000 horse worth boost, with much improved disrtibution and fit under the hood with no Cutting.
If it's good enough for Oem's to use on ther high end stuff, it's god eenough for us adrenaline junkies
That all adds up to a much shorter distance from turbo to cylinder, and eliminates alot of busy looking plumbing from under the hood. I am gonna contact the guys in there U.S. branch about getting some of these extrusions,and what their capabilites are.
Pretty soon you might be able to send me your manifold and get back an intake capable of chillin' a 1000 horse worth boost, with much improved disrtibution and fit under the hood with no Cutting.
If it's good enough for Oem's to use on ther high end stuff, it's god eenough for us adrenaline junkies
Last edited by Baldturbofreak; Jan 13, 2005 at 11:59 AM.
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looks good! be nice to see what the cappabilites are comperd to the traditional in manifold coolers. the fin design reminds me of the old air coold bike engines.. also like the fact that it lends a hand to modular design. "so you want a 500, 750 or 1000bhp cooler??" i dont think you will see much gains from running the A/C to cool the inlet though. its simple physics that you "dont get anything for nothing" so the power used to cool the A/C will requier more energy than you will get. but it would be nice to pre cool the water and intercoolers before a run. there was a product that used N2O to freeze intercoolers. it became popular with the EVO people and was good for cooling before and in a 1/4 mile run, but was limited on the open road! this would be the same for using the A/c i think.
actualy ford used a simler thing on one of their supercharged engines a couple of years a go. it took sommething like 5min to "charge" this tank full of very cold A/C gasses and then they wherre pumped into a cooler in the manifold. gave you about 30secs of cold intake and then you had a 5 min wait till ti was ready again.
keep us informed though. you could be on to something very ggod here.
actualy ford used a simler thing on one of their supercharged engines a couple of years a go. it took sommething like 5min to "charge" this tank full of very cold A/C gasses and then they wherre pumped into a cooler in the manifold. gave you about 30secs of cold intake and then you had a 5 min wait till ti was ready again.
keep us informed though. you could be on to something very ggod here.
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From: Honeoye Ny
The a/c suction line is what ford uses to chill their tank. this is basically the "leftovers" from the evap on it's way to the dryer and compressor. My intention's arn't to use it exclusivley, as the inner passageway is cooled by a liquid medium. It simply would be putiing waste to good use.
The chiller tank is where the magic happens and a full size evaporator in the chiller tank cools the 3 or so gallons down quite quickly. But yes, for a steady state run it's not the ideal setup. for that matter nothing is as Air to air's efficiency drops drastically in a steady state condition. Remember it's not so much the air your using to cool your boost, it's the thermal inertia of the aluminum. The heat is exchanged after the run.
Consider this though, if you have enough coolant for say 45 seconds wide open, how fast will you be going with a 1000 hp car?
The chiller tank is where the magic happens and a full size evaporator in the chiller tank cools the 3 or so gallons down quite quickly. But yes, for a steady state run it's not the ideal setup. for that matter nothing is as Air to air's efficiency drops drastically in a steady state condition. Remember it's not so much the air your using to cool your boost, it's the thermal inertia of the aluminum. The heat is exchanged after the run.
Consider this though, if you have enough coolant for say 45 seconds wide open, how fast will you be going with a 1000 hp car?
