BMarsh93

I am looking for a 91, must be a 6-speed and have sport seats and ZO7. I know this is a needle in a haystack but I guess this is worth a shot in the dark. :banghead:

91z07

O.K.-I'll bite.
Check my sig, let me know your price range. My car is not showroom condition, but very good condition. I've had many compliments on the appearence, and it runs very strong. The track time in my sig is the only time it's been to the track since I've owned it, and I've had no significant mechanical problems in those 4.5 years and 9000 mi. I'm not computer savvy, so if you want pic's, I'll have to USPS. Let me know-- :thumbs:


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BMarsh93

My price range will really depend on a lot of factors but generally around 10,500. Mileage, options, color, condition, distance to seller, etc. will influence what I'm willing to pay or not to pay from this figure. I know I sound picky but it just has to feel right. What other options does your car have? Any body or paint work ever done? Why are you selling?

Z-07 freak

Allright! I'm finding some fellow '91 Z-07 owners here, (future and current).

BMarsh93, here are some buying tips for you.
Realisticaly a low mileage excellent condition '91 Z-07 should sell for around $15,000. But here is your advantage - 90+% of the people who currently own a Z-07 have no idea they own one, let alone what a Z-07 truely is. Unlike the '92-'95 Z-07s, (half are 3.07 autos) all but one of the '91 Z-07s are 6-speeds. Begin your search by looking for '91 6-sp coupes. Due to the rare production of Z-07s, odds are you will find them out of your state. You don't want the seller to know you are looking for a Z-07. Because if you ask directly, once they start to learn about a Z-07, they will raise the price or stand firm on the price.
Now here is your challange - What question do you ask the seller over the phone or email if it is a Z-07 without asking directly?

jrzvette

You could ask the seller if he has the window sticker or build sheet among the documentation, but then you run the risk that he will pick up on the fact that its a Z07. Or, I believe you could have the Corvette Museum run the VIN to determine what options came on the car.

91z07

Z07 freak is right -- I bought mine without knowing, the salesman probably didn't know either. I found out by checking all the RPO codes with the Corvette Black Book.
As far as I can tell, it's fully loaded: power passenger seat, power driver seat, leather sport seats, electronic climate control, low tire pressure warning system, smoke glass top, plus everything that comes in the Z07 package. In addition to the items found in my sig, I've added keyless entry, a street performance wheel alignment recommended in Corvette Fever magazine, and recently a carbon fiber dash kit. I'm contemplating selling because I need to get out of debt. My selling price would be more than $10500, but less than $15000. I paid $17k 08/99. Shop around, and get back to me if you think you might be interested. :thumbs:

BlackbirdZ07

Just ask for a complete list of the codes from the underside of the console lid. The seller will rattle off a whole list of codes, and if Z07 is among them (it'll probably be near the end), then you've struck gold!

When I bought my '92 Z07 six-speed, the seller advertized the car as having factory 13" front brakes. He didn't know about any of the other suspension components. I figured the brakes had been added by a previous owner, but when he told me they were indeed factory installed and that the car did have the Z07 code on the console lid, I knew I had gotten lucky. I agreed over the phone to buy the car, and flew in and bought it a couple days later.

The thing that's different on the 91 Z07 cars from 92-95 (besides the L98 engine and the availability only of the six-speed) is that the springs are slightly stiffer.

Z-07 freak

You are ssssoooooo close!

Remember - my challange is we dont want the Z code to be in our conversation with the seller. As for the RPO sticker - you are correct sir! But what RPO does the Z07 package have that the base coupes, all convertibles, and ZR-1s do not?

Also, dont forget to check your homework kids! Console lids wear out quickly (like I need to tell any C4 owner that) and often the replacement is from another Vette! Double check that the VIN on the RPO sticker matches the vehicles VIN.

BlackbirdZ07

I'm not sure what you mean here... A Z07-equipped car will have RPO Z07, a non-Z07 car won't. On the underside of the console lid, one of the codes will be Z07. A Z07 car will also have RPOs J55 (for the heavy duty brakes), FX3 (for adjustable ride control), and probably another one or two that not many people know about, for the stiffer springs.

As for the seller knowing, I don't see what the problem with asking for a list is. The topic of Z07 never has to come up in the conversation. He'll give you a whole list of codes but the only one you'll be interested in is Z07, and probably J55 and FX3 as well since they have to be on a Z07 car. If the seller doesn't know what any of the codes mean, Z07 won't catch his attention any more than the other two dozen codes. If he asks why you want the information, you can tell him that it tells you the original options on the car like radio, seats, and top.

Making sure the console lid is original to the car is good advice.

Z-07 freak

BlackbirdZ07 you are ssssssoooooooo close!

Let me clearify my question/challange/lesson...

Most Corvette people know about the ZR-1s and Z-06s. When it comes time for the individual or dealer to sell it, they know there is extra value to those over a regular Vette. Thus a higher price.
Now the buyer has the advantage in buying a Z-07. Almost everyone out there has never heard of a Z-07, let alone what it actually is. Almost all current owners of a Z-07 have no idea they even have that option. Which is the advantage for those looking to buy one. Don't give the seller the chance to be firm on their price or raise it.
So the challange is to get the seller to inform the buyer if it is a Z-07 without ever saying Z-07.

Yes the answer lies in having the seller read us a code from the RPO sticker.
ask Z-07? - No we are trying to avoid that.
ask FX-3? - No, there were 6,894 FX-3s produced in '91 of those 733 are Z-07s
ask J55? - 80% correct. The 13" heavy duty are part of the Z-07 package, and will work if you are looking for a '91-'94 Z-07... But remember all '95/6 Corvettes will have 13" brakes, so the code will show on their RPO stickers as well.

BlackbirdZ07 you are on the right track and sssssooooo close :)

Roadrace65

Keep Looking - It's Worth It! I Love My 91 Z07, It's Just Flat Awsome At An AutoX!

91z07

Excuse me,
This is a "for sale" forum, not general discussion. I'm sure most of the enthusiasts on this forum that own a '91 Z07, know that they have one. Since you seem to have priviledged information unavailable to the masses, (the Corvette Black Book says '91 Z07's were "available with manual transmission only") why not go ahead and enlighten us? BTW- there were 5,875 w/ 6spd, and only 733 Z07's (per Corvette Black Book). Maybe he's tired of searching for the "needle in the haystack"? This is NOT sour grapes, as my car is a fine example of a driven, well maintained Z07 and I am not actively trying to sell my car, but to the right person, at the right price. If we could get dialogue going with other forum Z07 owners, I would be all for it. How 'bout it, Moderator?? :thumbs: Z-07 freak -- FE7??


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Z-07 freak

I know this is a for sale section. I've gone through buying and selling process of over 1,300 Corvettes at my store. The gentleman who started this topic IS looking for a needle in a haystack. I just thought I would be a nice guy and give some advice - based on my buying experiences - how he any others can find one and have a buyers advantage. In this age of C5 yuppies insulting our C4s, I think it's great that there are still C4 diehards out there looking for even rarer versions.

tobijohn

Alright already! What's the answer? Like that bank robber character in Dirty Harry, "I gots to know!" ....

BlackbirdZ07

I still don't quite get it... having the seller read a list of codes isn't going to tip him off to anything if he doesn't know what the codes mean. He's not going to automatically think his car is worth more when he reads the magic word "Z07".

If it's the spring codes you're getting at, yes, there will probably a couple codes that indicate the stiffer springs, but I don't know what those particular codes are. Enlighten us please!

J55 would also be a reliable indicator for '91-94, as J55 was mandatory on ZR1 and Z07 cars for those years, but not available otherwise during that period.

91z07

My apologies -- Would the answer to be to ask if it has FE7? (heavy duty suspension)

Z-07 freak

Yes! RPO FE7 (Gymkhana suspension) is exclussive to the Z-07 package.

FE1 is the code for base suspensions, (base coupes, all convertibles, and yes ALL ZR-1s).

My last bit of advice - If the seller reads FE1, move on, that is not a Z-07. If they read off FE7, don't cheer like you just scored a touchdown. Be cool and calm, act is if you lost some interest in it because it's not exactly what you are looking for - but if they come off the price a little, you could probably live with it. :D

I see 91z07 has started a general discussion on Z-07s

To the gentleman who started this topic - good luck in your search!


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BMarsh93

[QUOTE] As far as I can tell, it's fully loaded: power passenger seat, power driver seat, leather sport seats, electronic climate control, low tire pressure warning system, smoke glass top, plus everything that comes in the Z07 package.

91Z07 - Does your car have G92 Perf. Axle? Any paint or body work ever done? Is there anything that doesn't work? what tires/rims and condition? I would like to know more about your car.


[Modified by BMarsh93, 12:27 AM 1/16/2004]

91z07

No, G92 must be for non Z07's??. I have GM3 which is a 3.45 gear ratio. There's been no paint or body damage since I've owned it. The paint appears to be original and while getting many, many compliments on it's appearence, it does have light bug stains, and minute nicks typical on a black car. The tires have 3500 mi. and the wheels are original sawblades, which also are not absolutely perfect, but have very light curb rash, not very noticeable unless looking closely. Everything works, down to the antenna. As stated previously, in my opinion, it's NOT showroom condition, but very good condition. I, being somewhat picky myself, looked for 3 mos. to find a black C4 in this condition, in my price range.

Z-07 freak

G92 is the code for an automatics performance axle option. ($22.00 MSRP)

GM1 = 2.59 ratio for regular automatics (coupes & convs.) 245hp 340tq
GV2 = 2.73 ratio performance axle for convertibles (auto) 245hp 340tq
G44 = 3.07 ratio performance axle for coupes (auto) 250hp 345tq
GM3 = 3.45 ratio for all manuals cpe 250hp 350tq / conv 245hp 345tq

(ZR-1 375hp 370tq)

*info is for 1991 model year Corvettes


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