What is the biggest shot that someone here has used with a dry kit? No opinions just facts please..My car has a LS6 motor with an A4 tranny and 3.42 gears..I am running a 125hp and want to step it up..Who here has done so without blowing up?..

 

Robert56 on LS1Tech is spraying a 200 dry shot on a stock Z06.

 

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That has GOT to be exciting when the N20 kicks in.

 

This guy is an idiot, pure and simple. I've been using nitrous personally for quite a while and even have been talked into a few installs for customer's of mine, but definitely try to steer away from it any more. I would NEVER use a dry system, period. If N2O is to be used, direct port wet setup only, stay 120 shot max on stock pistoned engine. Yes, it is quite exhilirating!! but very dangerous to the motor. It is a matter of time before a stock motor is damaged in some way.

Robert
www.gen3motorsports.com

 

Keep in mind that a stock LS1 short block has cast pistons. A big shot of NOS and cast pistons aren't a rescipe for long engine life.

 

Get some forged guts and then have some real fun.

 

Well, this is the reason that most guys that really want to know about nitrous hang out at LS1Tech. Many, many, many guys run the big dry shots. As a matter of fact a lot of pro guys run mondo big dry in varous forms (like direct port dry). I have over 150 passes on my Z06 this summer alone, and have hurt nothing, so the reference to being an idiot?

rwj383 (Robert), I have been installing and running Nitrous set-ups since the late seventys. I am also a Nitrous Mod on two sites. So, once you take your foot out of your mouth, I invite you over to ls1tech in the nitrous section. Do a search for all thread responses and also all threads started by Robert56, then if you still think I am an idiot, you'll be entiltled to your opinion. But, I suspect you know nothing about me.
Robert

Edit: I hope this pisses you off even more. I am adding (half way there) a third stage with a propane kicker and plan to put my absolutly bone stock long block LS6 into the 550/600hp range. It's allready a 10.xx car and I don't even have headers. The real key is breaking up the torque with multi stage or a progressive controller.

 

I'm pretty sure I know who the real idiot here is. You might wanna research who you're talking about before you stick your foot farther down your throat......

 

huh? No offense, but there are TONS of stock motored LS1's running 200 shots (or dual stage 300 shot total, as well as a couple of people using 250 DRY shots). Wet OR DRY, it doesn't matter. If the fuel system is up to par, and the tune is correct, one is just as safe as the other

An idiot though?? Get your facts straight Feel free to visit the nitrous forum on ls1tech
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

Just because you don't know anything about dry kits, does not make people who use them stupid. Also, just because you don't think you should run a 200 shot, doesn't mean people don't.

Steve

 

To be honest......there doesn't seem to be alot of REAL nitrous knowledge here on the Corvette Forum......just people who are ignorant calling others idiots.

Don't get me wrong.....I love the Corvette Forum.....but there just are better places to get good nitrous advice from real and experienced users. Now for all I know......Mr Gen3motorsports may be the worlds greatest wrench turner.......but he sure as hell exposed his *** on his nitrous knowledge (or lack thereof). I mean honestly......calling Robert56 (one of the most knowledgeable and experienced nitrous users anywhere) an idiot.....that's just plain ignorant.

 

I dont have time to research who is who, what they base their knowledge on. I speak from my own experiences and those I am in close touch with. Shooting a dry shot across the MAF and praying time and again that the stock PCM will never make a mistake in fueling calculations is an invitation to disaster. I've popped a couple motors myself with nitrous and have seen plenty of LS1 piston ring lands of other LS1 techie's across the US that popped due to extreme cyl pressures and improper fueling. hey, be my guest and spray your cast pistoned motor with 200shot down the TB. Wet or dry that is a lot of cyl pressure for a stock motor. Funny thing is that all these people responding here have a lot of bad mouthing to say....until they pop a piston. Then you dont hear from them here. Go figure.
Good luck with your dry nitrous, guys. Sorry if I offended your vast and prideful knowledge of nitrous. Movin on......

Robert
www.gen3motorsports.com

 

Sorry for the 'idiot' reference, 56. Good luck with your multi-stage build. Keep us posted with your results.
I have a ton of spare parts for sale, nitrous and otherwise, if you need good cheap stuff. Mostly NX noids, bottles, shark nozzles, pills/jets, blah, blah, blah. I see your not far from me up in P, Wa. Maybe see you at the track sometime next season. My 436 solid roller direct port build will be ready for season opener next spring. If not, I'll be out there runnin' the raggedy Viper.

Robert
www.gen3motorsports.com

 

Yeah......NA and SC cars NEVER pop a piston......only nitrous cars.

 

What? I hope youre joking, because it certainly can happen to NA or boosted cars. But if you are only being a smarta$$ then it only further solidifies the fact that a cast pistoned motor has definite limitations, especially LS1 pistons with their very narrow top ring land. Look, this forum, as others, should be a great place to go and learn from the experiences of others; sharing learned information. This Robert56 guy says he has 150 passes this season with his 200 dry shot. Well, I will assume it is in part due to a firm grasp and respect for nitrous with properly implemented safegaurds in both hardware and tuning. But it is unarguable that there is also is a high level of luck that the motor has not popped yet. Heck, I got 2 full seasons out of my stock LS1 with a dual stage NX wet setup running 250shot. But my luck finally came to an end after a couple hundred passes. Anyone that has a lot of experience with nitrous will NEVER tell you that running 200shot of dry nitrous on a cast motor is smart money. Instead, they will tell you that it is only a matter of time before damage will happen, all dependant on how much, how often and the quality of the motor parts. Cant defy physics forever. As a professional LS1 tuner I would never advocate prolonged use of copious nitrous use in a stock or even a forged motor, even though I still personally run a large direct port in my own C5. but I have the luxury of replacing broken parts moreso than my customers do, plus I am just f-ing crazy.

 

Well I only run a dry shot. Two of them as a matter of fact. We can go back and forth on personal experiences, but the FACT is shiznit happens. I have seen many with DPs have injectors fail and motors blow up. I have seen many fuel noids fail and blow up motors. BUT I have never seen a LSX MAF fail. Someone please post all the MAF failures. I dont pretend to know everything, but I will continue along the same path. With my luck if anyones MAF is going to fail it will be mine.. LOL!!! Then I will go turbo and run SD.

 

now youre talking! Putting together a forged 402 LS2 for one of my C5 ZO6 customer's that we plan to go blown with. Also, SD is the only way to go, as well. I've been yielding awesome driveability and #'s with SD tuning lately, makes big cams run like stock driveability.

 

rjw383,so your Robert the Tuner from Portland, who I have given credit for being a good tuner (word of mouth in this area). Actually, it seems I have been in E-mail contact with you? Anyway. I didn't take your comments personal, so no problem on this end.
I also do not advocate running the big dry or wet unless you know what your doing, and even the risks. I allways say, If you want to play, and can't pay, don't spray. There are less things that can go wrong running a dry hit, and if going big you better have your fuel system and tune in order. I personaly know I am pushing the limits of an LS6, but that's my goal, to see how far I can safely take it. If it blows, then in goes a knew LS7.
Ya that would be nice to meet up at the strip, I was going to come down to Woodburn a couple times but never made it. Maybe, I'll be able to give your 436 a good run.
Robert

 

Maybe you ought to broaden your horizons and look at other forums too (as suggested).

The bottom line is......if you wanna play....you gotta be ready to pay. That goes for pretty much any mod....and especially power adders.

The point is MANY stock bottom end LS-1's are doing 150-200 dry shots and not blowing up. I run a 100 for daily use.......and 125-135 every now and then. My car has 117K miles......on the stock motor.....all stock internals. Will it break sometime? I'm sure it will. I've broken plenty of motors.....but none of them broke on nitrous (yet). And they break because I drive hard.....not because I'm spraying a dry shot. Again.....a dry shot is indeed safe.....but you do need to get it right. Just as you need to get any mod right.....no less of a need to get it right than a cam swap. Get your tune wrong on that and you're looking for trouble as well.

I'm not gonna argue the obvious......certainly it's much better to run forged internals. But I see no reason to dump a perfectly good motor just to run a 150 shot or so. Go ahead and run it......and if it blows it blows.......THEN throw a forged bottom end on it.

 

Shooting dry across the MAF is the only nitrous setup I have not tried yet. The concept is solid, and I do put a tremendous amount of faith in the LS1 PCM. But I guess I just get nervous about relying on the stock injector and fuel system to fuel 600rwhp when the spray is on. Maybe a Racetronix intank kit and 36# injectors is the solution? Also, I am painfully aware of the airflow inbalances of the stock intake, #7 get the least amnt of the airflow of all. This is why I have seen more than my fair share of popped #7's. Plus, I tune all my cars in SD mode, effectively removing the MAF calc from the equation. Anyway, I rattled my stock motor at about 575rwhp with dual NX nozzles.
Oh yah, the LS7 stuff is very promising. I actually have a couple customers on hold for h/c decisions until GM publishes the price for LS7 heads and intake. I think this is going to be the way to go now. And that motor.....unbelievable. Great stuff.
I'll ping this forum when I take the 436 down to the track next season. I am gonna try real hard to get that elusive 9 sec run in. It'd be cool to see you down at PIR. Also, I am game for a road trip up in your direction. I have a few customers up that way that keep inviting me up to their tracks. We'll cross paths for sure at some time, Robert!! Cheers.

Robert
www.gen3motorsports.com