FI Questions
NCM, WSCC & SCC Member
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Like, I said Jesss is free to contact us or personally come see the differences between kit A,B,C,D,E, etc.. and make up his own mind.
General Differences as follows.
Fully CNC brackets that are thicker.
More belt wrap on the head unit pulley
Stronger tensioner.
No need to remove any brackets to change belts
All metal bearings, not plastic
Fixed idler kit
Larger and more efficient intercooler
Custom lower radiator supports made with intercooler supports welded on.
Top shroud made of black aluminum instead of plastic.
All duct work is polished
Customers choice of Black, red or blue ducting.
Stainless T-bolt clamps
Kits include Motron 60 pound injectors
Includes a Racetronix fuel system or a boost a pump depending on year of car
General Differences as follows.
Fully CNC brackets that are thicker.
More belt wrap on the head unit pulley
Stronger tensioner.
No need to remove any brackets to change belts
All metal bearings, not plastic
Fixed idler kit
Larger and more efficient intercooler
Custom lower radiator supports made with intercooler supports welded on.
Top shroud made of black aluminum instead of plastic.
All duct work is polished
Customers choice of Black, red or blue ducting.
Stainless T-bolt clamps
Kits include Motron 60 pound injectors
Includes a Racetronix fuel system or a boost a pump depending on year of car
Melting Slicks
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From: Crooks SD
Originally Posted by SS930
I don't want to speak for Jesse but... I don't believe he was so much questioning the quality of the ESC kit, but rather having a certain 
quantify his statement with some more of the verbal diarrhea (which he's so well know for) for everyone's amusement.
We all know both ECS and A&A make a great product.
quantify his statement with some more of the verbal diarrhea (which he's so well know for) for everyone's amusement. We all know both ECS and A&A make a great product.
That was not my intention whatsoever; don't assume. ECS is the obvious choice given the buyers location, but I had no clue what the differences between the "big two" offerings... that's why I asked. Given the info posted by Brent, ECS is the choice, without question.
Also, given my new "stand up" habit, I'm glad you found the above amusing. With that said, I'd appreciate it if you'd keep these kinds of comments to yourself; they help no one.
Team Owner
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From: Detroit
Absent from this discussion are the DTE Vortech and MDMC ProCharger packages. Based on my reading and my owning of an ECS ProCharger kit I would give the edge to ECS and their Paxton setup in the which blower is bestest category.
That being said, none of them seem to be able to hang with the turbo cars.:
Mark
That being said, none of them seem to be able to hang with the turbo cars.
:Mark
Melting Slicks
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From: Crooks SD
very true; i completely forget about everyone other than ECS and A&A...
Both have acceptionally higher reliability than the Vortech or ATI factory kits, that's i'm certain. ECS and A&A have worked out most of the kinks the factory kits delivered most of the time.
Both have acceptionally higher reliability than the Vortech or ATI factory kits, that's i'm certain. ECS and A&A have worked out most of the kinks the factory kits delivered most of the time.
Burning Brakes
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From: New England
Originally Posted by Jesse_Boyer
That was not my intention whatsoever; don't assume. ECS is the obvious choice given the buyers location, but I had no clue what the differences between the "big two" offerings... that's why I asked. Given the info posted by Brent, ECS is the choice, without question.
Also, given my new "stand up" habit, I'm glad you found the above amusing. With that said, I'd appreciate it if you'd keep these kinds of comments to yourself; they help no one.
Also, given my new "stand up" habit, I'm glad you found the above amusing. With that said, I'd appreciate it if you'd keep these kinds of comments to yourself; they help no one.
Former Vendor
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From: Valencia Ca
Originally Posted by #001 2001 Z06
Again, the ECS product is far superior
Originally Posted by #001 2001 Z06
(In fact, I would not even compare them) and we have worked with almost all off them.
Former Vendor
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From: Valencia Ca
Originally Posted by mdhmi
I think it comes down to more belt wrap, stronger tensioner, and larger FMIC.
Mark
Mark
Our tensioner is made from billet 6061, is adjustable and deflects less than .002"....
Our largest FMIC allows for IAT's to be held at ~ <25 above ambient....is there need for a larger unit?
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From: PA
There will always be discussions about which one is the best, etc. You guys can argue all you want, I'm just hoping to get some actual good information regarding FI out of this thread. I know I wouldn't go wrong with either SC kit. Does anyone know how much an ECS kit by itself costs? I see that they include 60# injectors, while the A&A kit includes 42# injectors. Would it be better to have the 60# injectors right off the bat knowing I would only be looking at staying at 510 RWHP for a few years? I.E. are 60's too much for my needs, or go for them and they will support 500-700RWHP for juture needs? What are the capabilities of 42# injectors and the capabilities of 60# injectors?
Thanks again,
Chris
Thanks again,
Chris
Le Mans Master
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From: New Blue 9.80 @ 142MPH stock motor
St. Jude Donor '03-'06-'07-'08
Originally Posted by mdhmi
Absent from this discussion are the DTE Vortech and MDMC ProCharger packages. Based on my reading and my owning of an ECS ProCharger kit I would give the edge to ECS and their Paxton setup in the which blower is bestest category.
That being said, none of them seem to be able to hang with the turbo cars.:
Mark
That being said, none of them seem to be able to hang with the turbo cars.
:Mark
Next year we will have several cars into the 8s on supercharger so we will see. We'd like to go after Paul Major's IRS record for vettes.
Former Vendor
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From: Atlanta GA
Originally Posted by asmokegars
We are getting close!! 9.55 @ 145 backed up by a 9.33 @ 147 on a shake down track day.
Next year we will have several cars into the 8s on supercharger so we will see. We'd like to go after Paul Major's IRS record for vettes.
Next year we will have several cars into the 8s on supercharger so we will see. We'd like to go after Paul Major's IRS record for vettes.
Now thats moving I would expect nothing less from Chris and Doug
Except Doug owes me a beer and I owe Chris a six pack and Doug a Keg...
Le Mans Master
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From: New Blue 9.80 @ 142MPH stock motor
St. Jude Donor '03-'06-'07-'08
Originally Posted by opticZ06
Now thats moving I would expect nothing less from Chris and Doug
Except Doug owes me a beer and I owe Chris a six pack and Doug a Keg...
Except Doug owes me a beer and I owe Chris a six pack and Doug a Keg...
Sean - took a look at your video - man that's moving!!
Team Owner
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From: Detroit
Originally Posted by asmokegars
We are getting close!! 9.55 @ 145 backed up by a 9.33 @ 147 on a shake down track day.
Mark