intercooler or not? with Alky
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intercooler or not? with Alky
OK so the sts guys say you can possibly run there system without a intercooler and be safe. Obviously this is with the low psi setting. so say i were to run 11 psi without an intercooler but spray alky... not the safest but would it be wise?, Also since our cars run hot as ***** how much cooler does the intercooler really make the incoming air?
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Don't know about that particular system.
Jeff Gilbert, the FI F-body guy on Pinks that beat the honda ricer guy was telling me that his car saw COOLER IAT temps w/o his intercooler. He DOES run a dual nozzle methanol kit as a liquid intercooler though...
Jeff Gilbert, the FI F-body guy on Pinks that beat the honda ricer guy was telling me that his car saw COOLER IAT temps w/o his intercooler. He DOES run a dual nozzle methanol kit as a liquid intercooler though...
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ITs not a matter of money, Im just curious if its worth the extra pounds and not to mention blocking the radiator from much needed air....
.... Mabey the kit should come with optional air cooled induction pipes, im sure there is plenty of air hitting the exposed pipes under the car, why not make some kind of pipe with more surface area. Might look ugly but would serve a purpose
.... Mabey the kit should come with optional air cooled induction pipes, im sure there is plenty of air hitting the exposed pipes under the car, why not make some kind of pipe with more surface area. Might look ugly but would serve a purpose
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Although it’s possible I personally would not risk it for numerous reasons…
Alky is a fuel and although it will cool charge the quantities required would make tune 100% alky depended. Then you would need a very good/reliable progressive controller one in which flow is ramped with boost or more ideally mass flow versus temperature. Any failure and wave goodbye to your engine.
You could mix or cut alky with water, which will reduce dependency on alky as fuel and do a better job cooling pound per pound speaking. But allot of people don’t like that.
Then there is the storage issue, if you plan on a road trip then be prepared to have several gallons with you. I haven’t heard of anyone trying E85, but who knows…
Buying heat in large quantities can be done.
That’s the short list of why not. If you need clarification let me know.
Mike
Alky is a fuel and although it will cool charge the quantities required would make tune 100% alky depended. Then you would need a very good/reliable progressive controller one in which flow is ramped with boost or more ideally mass flow versus temperature. Any failure and wave goodbye to your engine.
You could mix or cut alky with water, which will reduce dependency on alky as fuel and do a better job cooling pound per pound speaking. But allot of people don’t like that.
Then there is the storage issue, if you plan on a road trip then be prepared to have several gallons with you. I haven’t heard of anyone trying E85, but who knows…
Buying heat in large quantities can be done.
That’s the short list of why not. If you need clarification let me know.
Mike
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by moneybags
OK so the sts guys say you can possibly run there system without a intercooler and be safe. Obviously this is with the low psi setting. so say i were to run 11 psi without an intercooler but spray alky... not the safest but would it be wise?, Also since our cars run hot as ***** how much cooler does the intercooler really make the incoming air?
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Originally Posted by Earl H
If you search the buick threads, a number of hot-air (non-ic) buicks run alchy only, with pretty good success. There is a wealth of info. on those boards as they have been running alchohol, methanol, proppane, etc. since what seems like the beginning of time. Btw, meth./alchy doesn't have to be used as a fuel supplment. I originally did it to cool the charge at the end of the 1/4, with the IC. The detonation prevention and fuel supplemenation was an added plus.
Alchy can be added to an already safe tune. It will allow running super rich without the power loss of running that rich on straight gasoline.
Carroll Supercharging recommends "gaseous intercooling" (alchy injection), and doesn't even offer a traditional intercooler.
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Originally Posted by moneybags
OK so the sts guys say you can possibly run there system without a intercooler and be safe. Obviously this is with the low psi setting. so say i were to run 11 psi without an intercooler but spray alky... not the safest but would it be wise?, Also since our cars run hot as ***** how much cooler does the intercooler really make the incoming air?
It is ideal for strip only cars..... or where you run really low boost on the street.. and only turn it up once in a while.
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Originally Posted by moneybags
ITs not a matter of money, Im just curious if its worth the extra pounds...
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Thanks guys for all the help ...... So i dont have to post another topic about sts 
I wanna know if it would be wise to put a turbo blanket on the turbos think they would be "safer" from elements etc and would they produce less loss being hotter... Also what about stepping the exhaust system from the headers back, like funnel the gases, have the mid pipe be like 2" or smaller and then to say 1 1/2 at the turbos... I know the obvious would be that the engine wouldnt like it but how small could you go with the exhaust to increase velocity and still keep the engine running well?
...... So i dont have to post another topic about sts I wanna know if it would be wise to put a turbo blanket on the turbos think they would be "safer" from elements etc and would they produce less loss being hotter... Also what about stepping the exhaust system from the headers back, like funnel the gases, have the mid pipe be like 2" or smaller and then to say 1 1/2 at the turbos... I know the obvious would be that the engine wouldnt like it but how small could you go with the exhaust to increase velocity and still keep the engine running well?
Last edited by moneybags; Jun 1, 2006 at 04:04 AM.