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Old Jul 5, 2006 | 08:45 PM
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I completely agree that turbo's are awsome, but are not at all compairing apples to apples. The C5 that ran mid 8's is an all out race car, non streetable, and the only car that ran 8's with nos was Major spray (that I ever heard of), as awsome as that car is, it also cannot be driven on the street either. So lets take the race cars out of the picture and compare properly.

Lets go with IRS cars that are street driven, as far as I know of the fastest turbo C5 out there is Stealth's. He ran a 9.33

The fastest S/C IRS C5 that I know of is Asmokegars.......and it ran a 9.33 ,go figure. He ran a 9.67 with the low boost pully and I have ran several 9.50's with it on blazing hot days, so it is not a fluke



I dont even know of a NOS car thats IRS that has come close to those times while street driven regularly. (I could be wrong, but I dont think so)

So make the discision on s/c or turbo with a clear head, because at this moment they are as neck and neck as you can possibly get. (unless I throw in that Stealth has had A/C etc removed while Asmokegars has not)


You cant compare Asmokegars car to backhalved turbo cars. And mdhi you say prochargers are garbage Man I cant hold it any longer i will challenge you any day street or strip even after your auto convert and show you how much prochargers suck, and dont start whinning about cubes
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Originally Posted by JZ 97 SS 1500
Several guys on this site are running the PTK kit. We did one customer overseas with a PTK kit and custom twin 70's that made over 1300+rwhp, so skies the limit.

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Jose, this will pretty much back up what I told him via PM. If he wanted to make north of 1000 RWHP I think the PTK kit is an obvious choice. If he wants something up to 850-900 RWHP on a stock or slightly higher cube motor the TTiX kit will suit him as well. What I told him is that he has to decide if he wanted a bling on top of the motor in your face kit or something more subtle. It has been shown that both will make enough power to get it done.

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What specifically do you want to see...? I took something north of 300 pictures when I did my engine build and turbo install. I actually had intention of making some useable instructions for the kit.
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Old Jul 5, 2006 | 09:16 PM
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Jose, this will pretty much back up what I told him via PM. If he wanted to make north of 1000 RWHP I think the PTK kit is an obvious choice. If he wants something up to 850-900 RWHP on a stock or slightly higher cube motor the TTiX kit will suit him as well. What I told him is that he has to decide if he wanted a bling on top of the motor in your face kit or something more subtle. It has been shown that both will make enough power to get it done.



What specifically do you want to see...? I took something north of 300 pictures when I did my engine build and turbo install. I actually had intention of making some useable instructions for the kit.

Hey you should come to the z06fest in bowling green, the drags will be fri 1-5 the 21st
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Old Jul 5, 2006 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JZ 97 SS 1500

We did one customer overseas with a PTK kit and custom twin 70's that made over 1300+rwhp, so skies the limit.

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I wish if I know who that customer is . Who knows, I might go with a PTK setup one day
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Hey you should come to the z06fest in bowling green, the drags will be fri 1-5 the 21st
PM being sent!
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Old Jul 5, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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PM being sent!

Pm 'ed you back
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Old Jul 5, 2006 | 09:36 PM
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With few exceptions, it's proven to be unreliable garbage in my opinion.



Please check with Asmokegars.

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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 01:23 AM
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What specifically do you want to see...? I took something north of 300 pictures when I did my engine build and turbo install. I actually had intention of making some useable instructions for the kit.
You got PM
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By the way does the TTI setup delete the A/C?
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 09:08 AM
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By the way does the TTI setup delete the A/C?
No.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by otlracing
I'm a turbo guy my self. I've done a few builds but this time around I wanted some drivability and less headaches that’s why I was trying to do a full bolt on kit like ATI with some LG LT and some other stuff and call it a day. I wasn’t trying to break no records. I know that going turbo is the best way. I was in the process of getting a new Z06 and I already gotten use too the Idea of the performance in that car, but I change my mind and decided to go a different way with the money, use it for other projects. My friend and myself we are big turbo guys (we don't like N20 no offence) that's why he's going TT on his viper and I just wanted something to be able to at least keeping him from reading distance of his lic. plate
I agree, I am also a turbo guy (ask Doug, he knows me and some of the cars that I have worked on), but the price of the ECS Paxton setup is less then 10k installed and makes it hard to beat. That leaves you 3k for additional drivetrain upgrades. The DIY kit would give you even more money left over to play with. It's the same blower that is on Alan's (Asmokegars) car that has run low 9's so the ability to upgrade the power is there with relatively low additional cost (10 rib drive, smaller pulley etc). The intercooler and blower all remain the same from the "base" kit. It will not make the TQ of the TT setup but it will be easier to drive and you will still be able to run a good number with it. I've seen several street C5's run in the 10's with the Paxton setup.

One thing to point out, if you plan to road race the car, I would caution you about the TTiX system. The boost pipe from the passenger side travels through the passenger side wheel well and limits the turning radius of the car when the wheel is turned to the left. I've seen pipes that have been flattened for clearance that still hit. Supposedly TTi has changed this piece but I have not seen one of the new pipes yet. Just an FYI.

I am personally a fan of the LPE low mount TT setups but they are only offered as installed packages and are out of your price range. APS out of Austrailia is building a DIY C5 kit that is virtually a copy of the LPE setup (with a few upgrades) but it will not be out until the end of the year.

Best of luck with your decision.

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I agree, I am also a turbo guy (ask Doug, he knows me and some of the cars that I have worked on), but the price of the ECS Paxton setup is less then 10k installed and makes it hard to beat. That leaves you 3k for additional drivetrain upgrades. The DIY kit would give you even more money left over to play with. It's the same blower that is on Alan's (Asmokegars) car that has run low 9's so the ability to upgrade the power is there with relatively low additional cost (10 rib drive, smaller pulley etc). The intercooler and blower all remain the same from the "base" kit. It will not make the TQ of the TT setup but it will be easier to drive and you will still be able to run a good number with it. I've seen several street C5's run in the 10's with the Paxton setup.

One thing to point out, if you plan to road race the car, I would caution you about the TTiX system. The boost pipe from the passenger side travels through the passenger side wheel well and limits the turning radius of the car when the wheel is turned to the left. I've seen pipes that have been flattened for clearance that still hit. Supposedly TTi has changed this piece but I have not seen one of the new pipes yet. Just an FYI.

I am personally a fan of the LPE low mount TT setups but they are only offered as installed packages and are out of your price range. APS out of Austrailia is building a DIY C5 kit that is virtually a copy of the LPE setup (with a few upgrades) but it will not be out until the end of the year.

Best of luck with your decision.

Jersey
My blower is a novi 2000 and my intercooler is the same for all kits. I have alchy injection that is not anymore custom. Now what makes my car fast? First I had a LS2 402 forged stroker built by ECS put in with their blower cam and AFR225 heads - given that we knew we wanted to try high boost - Doug & crew did work on the heads/studs to hold the heads down so that is an extra custom. Next - I went to the 10 rib and 2.75 pulley as it was slipping a bit on the 8 rib when we ran the 9.33. The fuel supply is a custom ECS setup to handle the needs of the setup. The turbo400 tranny is a custom Yank/ECS build with a custom cheetah shifter mount and transbrake/manual TC lockup. The rear is a 3:42 with hardened output shafts and a DTE brace but still IRS and still running a torque tube. Some finishing touches - lightened the car (hood, brakes/wheels etc.) Installed lingengelter mini tubs to be able to fit big hoosier 28x14.5x16 quick time pro-dots, installed what I consider the most amazing 7.5 second cage.

So - a lot went into making this car what it is and we have not seen the best of what it can do. That said the basic power elements can be had and then you can build on it with smaller pulleys/forged block/fuel supply. That will lead you to how to put the power to the ground - drive train and wheels & safety elements (cage and most recently - removable chute).

The top/fastest NHRA pro class cars are running superchargers not turbos.

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I hate to rain on your parade guys, but if the guy has a $13k budget, telling him to do turbos is just a stupid idea. Hell, if I had a $13k budget for a C5 and went up against a tubo fan with a $13k budget C5, my blower car will smoke the turbo car. I'll explain why. Buy a used blower kit, do the install yourself and it can be done for 5 grand. Hell, that leaves enough for a forged motor, and other driveline mods as well as boltons. Easy 700-800rwhp. The turbo guy is going to spend 10-12grand on his twin turbo kit. Can't do much with a stock motor, stock driveline, ect. And don't even think about finding a good turbo kit used. When your on a limited budget you have to think of these things and save where you can. The goal is to be as fast as possible with the least amount of money, right?
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Originally Posted by BlackMagicC5
.... Easy 700-800rwhp. ...
Even with turbos, is there really a such thing as EASY 700-800rhpw...
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And mdhi you say prochargers are garbage.. Man I cant hold it any longer i will challenge you any day street or strip even after your auto convert and show you how much prochargers suck, and dont start whinning about cubes
I said with _exceptions_. There folks who run ProChargers for years and have nothing but positive results. My hats off to those folks.

I also know several people who have had to send their head-units back to ProCharger for resealing, etc which often means several weeks of downtime and a repair bill of $600-800.

As for racing you - anytime sweetie. Don't forget to pack an extra belt or two.

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How many of the TT cars have matched Optic's run with the ATI blower?
Several. And at least one that I can think of with pump gas. Not race gas and not blowing a $3,000 Rossler trans during the run.
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Originally Posted by Earl H
Even with turbos, is there really a such thing as EASY 700-800rhpw...
Really Man people throw out these #'s like it aint ****.....I beg to differ

How many cars that are here on the forum that have 700+ rwhp...............I guess all of them
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Originally Posted by Z06GMAN
Really Man people throw out these #'s like it aint ****.....I beg to differ

How many cars that are here on the forum that have 700+ rwhp...............I guess all of them
You guys know what I meant. I didn't mean it was easy to do. I meant for $13k its not a problem if you know what your doing with your money and car. Try to read between the lines a little, I know its hard. Like I said, if you want the fastest car possible for a $13k budget, turbos is not the way to go. Your going to waste 95% of your budget on JUST the power adder.

Be careful who you listen to on here, some of the guys who went turbo either have a budget at least twice $13k or are just blinded and trying to justify their $12k 550rwhp mod.

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Originally Posted by BlackMagicC5

Be careful who you listen to on here, some of the guys who went turbo either have a budget at least twice $13k or are just blinded and trying to justify their $12k 550rwhp mod.
Re: $12K 550rwhp mod...most of the prevailing turbo kits out there are only limited by your supporting hardware...

Agreed with some of the statements made...turbos aren't for everyone. They cost more and are more complicated to get to run correctly, but once you do it is a pleasure to drive and oh so adjustable...
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Re: $12K 550rwhp mod...most of the prevailing turbo kits out there are only limited by your supporting hardware...
My point exactly. He can't have any supporting hardware if he spends his whole budget on the turbo kit itself. If he wants to take $13k as far as it will go, turbos won't get him very far. Double that budget and I'd be arguing FOR turbos. The reason I chose a blower setup was because of the budget issue as well. Would I rather have had turbos? Yes. Would that have been the best setup for me? No.
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As for racing you - anytime sweetie. Don't forget to pack an extra belt or two.
Sweetie dang man are you coming onto me That must be turbo talk just kidding. We should set this up sometime some how. Oh yeah and i always keep an extra belt, cordless impact wrench, socket set and pry bar, and flash light in the trunk But hey i have had the same belt on there this time for at least a month and it shows no signs of giving it up
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