RE:Blower Cam Feed-back
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Melting Slicks
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RE:Blower Cam Feed-back
Ok guys, the car (98 C5 A4 3:15 gear Vararam/Headers/Cats) goes up to A&A in 3wks for a IC Maggie (w/3.1 pully) install and I`m looking for some feedback on blower cams, specifically w/Maggies!
Since we`re up-grading the timming chain, oil pump and lower pully, I thought why not!
Oh, a couple of things to keep in mind....... it has to pass Calif sniffer.
And...... next year I may be adding an 90mm snout,90mm TB, and lgr MAF and probably some stock LS6 heads along with the built trans I`m sure I`ll be needing by then!
I know LPE`s GT2-3 Cam is 207/220 571/578 on 118.5
Thunder has one, 214/230 601/575 on 117
A&A & I discussed a Comp 220/224 581 on 114
or another one, I think it was a 116/something 581 on 114
What are you guys running and what works best on stock bottom-end, especially in the 1500-5800/6000 rpm canyon carving/street hot-rod range.
Thank you in advance for your input!
Rick
Since we`re up-grading the timming chain, oil pump and lower pully, I thought why not!
Oh, a couple of things to keep in mind....... it has to pass Calif sniffer.
And...... next year I may be adding an 90mm snout,90mm TB, and lgr MAF and probably some stock LS6 heads along with the built trans I`m sure I`ll be needing by then!
I know LPE`s GT2-3 Cam is 207/220 571/578 on 118.5
Thunder has one, 214/230 601/575 on 117
A&A & I discussed a Comp 220/224 581 on 114
or another one, I think it was a 116/something 581 on 114
What are you guys running and what works best on stock bottom-end, especially in the 1500-5800/6000 rpm canyon carving/street hot-rod range.
Thank you in advance for your input!
Rick
Last edited by R.P.; Aug 29, 2006 at 09:55 PM.
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St. Jude Donor '06
All i can tell you is that bigger is not better when it comes to making big power on supercharged cars, and that is why the stock Z06 cam makes such an excellent blower cam. FOr my ECS D1SC Cent Supercharger I just built a new forged motor and went with ECS stock cubed blower cam, which i have been told is a smaller cam (specs not released yet by ECS) and ECS has consistently obtained well over 700rwhp on all the cars they put this cam in on their stock cubed forged LS6 motors. If you look at the history of the fastest stock cubed forged cent supercharged C5s, they all are running smaller blower cams and there is one guy running a stock cubed forged motor in his f-body with a stock 01 Z06 cam, runing about 14 lbs of boost on his D1SC ATI s. chager and he runs in the mid 9s at over 140 mph. PERFECT EXAMPLE of real world results here!!! WHen it comes to boosted applicatons bigger is not better and remember, the smaller cams like a stock Z06 cam will perform better off boost in the low rpms as they will make better torque than a larger cam for normal driving off boost!!
I would call ECS for more info on their blower cam and that is what i went with in my new motor!! 
WHen it comes to boosted applicatons bigger is not better and remember, the smaller cams like a stock Z06 cam will perform better off boost in the low rpms as they will make better torque than a larger cam for normal driving off boost!!I would call ECS for more info on their blower cam and that is what i went with in my new motor!!
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I tend to like smaller cams...
I am running a 220/224 .581/.581 on a 115+2. It idles nicely at 850 and will pass a tail pipe emissions test without any hassle. This cam worked well with my SC and it now (temporarily) works well without boost.
I am running a 220/224 .581/.581 on a 115+2. It idles nicely at 850 and will pass a tail pipe emissions test without any hassle. This cam worked well with my SC and it now (temporarily) works well without boost.
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Originally Posted by R.P.
LPE's GT2-3 Cam is 207/220 571/578 on 118.5
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by jersey jay
Call John Page @ 21st Century Muscle Cars which is a sister Co. of LPE. My tuners have used his cam on Maggies and have had great results, I being one when I had a Mag.
I didn`t get the specific specs but he said his cam has a little less lift and a little more duration than the LPE cam.
Apparently the 21st cam makes a little more power up top!
Anyone use the Vinci/Crane #056 @.050 216/224 551/551 115 lsa?
Overlap is 53*
Vinci`s web site says "it`s perfect for superchargers!"
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Over the past 2-3 years...
Over the past 2-3 years I've seen a lot of guys use the Comp 220/224 .581 on a 114 or 115 LSA, and report that it smogs and drives well for a daily driver and puts out good power.
I have a 224/228 (115) on Andy's recommendation and it will smog and put out good power with a centrifugal and also when I ran it NA. That's on a 402.
I think the 220/224 is a good choice and certainly cams mentioned in above posts with lower intake duration and lift would run even cleaner.
If you run a .581 lift on a 224 or less intake, be sure to have good springs/push rods and consider changing the springs periodically. I would guess every 15-20k miles for spirited street driving in the range you mentioned.
Perhaps someone has some experiential data to add on longevity of high lift short duration cam springs for the street.
Good luck
Roy
I have a 224/228 (115) on Andy's recommendation and it will smog and put out good power with a centrifugal and also when I ran it NA. That's on a 402.
I think the 220/224 is a good choice and certainly cams mentioned in above posts with lower intake duration and lift would run even cleaner.
If you run a .581 lift on a 224 or less intake, be sure to have good springs/push rods and consider changing the springs periodically. I would guess every 15-20k miles for spirited street driving in the range you mentioned.
Perhaps someone has some experiential data to add on longevity of high lift short duration cam springs for the street.
Good luck
Roy
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Thanks to all who chimed in so far, for those planning a future Maggie install here are some additional recommendations I`ve compiled!
Per Crane Cams Tech: p/n 1449562
551/551 204/216 on 115
Per Comp Cams Tech: p/n 54-424-11
212/218 558/563 on 115
Ken Bell Tech: Not much help, not much testing other than the stock Z06 cam!
Magnuson Tech:
They joint tested with LPE, the LPE GT2-3 cam with great results.
571/578 207/220 on 118.5
Also liked cams with lift in the 551-568 range and duration in the 212-224 range on 115 or 116.
Vinci/Crane: p/n 056
551/551 216/224 on 115
02 later ZO6 cam:
551/555 204/218 on 117.5
All mfgs seemed to concur that in addition to good boost performance the wider LSA cams perform better "off boost" in street applications than the narrow LSA cams.
Also, just a reminder, these cams were researched specifically for the best Maggie street application so I don`t know if these would be correct for track or centrifugal set-ups.
Rick
Per Crane Cams Tech: p/n 1449562
551/551 204/216 on 115
Per Comp Cams Tech: p/n 54-424-11
212/218 558/563 on 115
Ken Bell Tech: Not much help, not much testing other than the stock Z06 cam!
Magnuson Tech:
They joint tested with LPE, the LPE GT2-3 cam with great results.
571/578 207/220 on 118.5
Also liked cams with lift in the 551-568 range and duration in the 212-224 range on 115 or 116.
Vinci/Crane: p/n 056
551/551 216/224 on 115
02 later ZO6 cam:
551/555 204/218 on 117.5
All mfgs seemed to concur that in addition to good boost performance the wider LSA cams perform better "off boost" in street applications than the narrow LSA cams.
Also, just a reminder, these cams were researched specifically for the best Maggie street application so I don`t know if these would be correct for track or centrifugal set-ups.
Rick
Last edited by R.P.; Sep 7, 2006 at 01:33 PM.
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Originally Posted by muncie21
Does anyone have the specs off-hand for this cam?
Fyi - More than one tuner suggested upgrading from the Z06 springs provided in the LPE kit to the Comp 918 beehive springs and stouter pushrods. LPE said they aren`t nessary but did admit the upgrade offers an extra margin of saftey.
Rick
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Originally Posted by R.P.
Scroll up, it`s listed in a couple of the perevious posts!
Fyi - More than one tuner suggested upgrading from the Z06 springs provided in the LPE kit to the Comp 918 beehive springs and stouter pushrods. LPE said they aren`t nessary but did admit the upgrade offers an extra margin of saftey.
Rick
Fyi - More than one tuner suggested upgrading from the Z06 springs provided in the LPE kit to the Comp 918 beehive springs and stouter pushrods. LPE said they aren`t nessary but did admit the upgrade offers an extra margin of saftey.
Rick
and this is exactly what i upgraded to for my blown stock LS6 motor, comp 918s and chromoly pushrods!! Excellent added insurance and piece of mind!!