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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 08:41 AM
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Can an Alki System do any damage to the seals inside the motor? I was told that by a guy and I am looking for some feed back from the guys running them....... before I buy one.

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This is a similar question I posted during the summer about running 100% meth and Doug ECS and Juilo Alky Control told me to continue with the 100% and they are not having no issues with there engines I have over 4600 alky boosting miles and no issues to report
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In theroy. there is a bit more propensity for long term ring wear due to the lack of lubricity in methanol compared to regular gasoline.

In reality, it is not anything to really worry about.
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 10:40 AM
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Can an Alki System do any damage to the seals inside the motor?
Yes, provided the rings were to sit in a vat of meth for an extended period of time, however, I haven't figured out yet how that could ever happen.

Meth is outstanding at keeping IAT's in check. I can hotlap the car in the heat and the car feels just as fast (or faster) every full.
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Originally Posted by ttboyvette
Can an Alki System do any damage to the seals inside the motor? I was told that by a guy and I am looking for some feed back from the guys running them....... before I buy one.

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Tom
Only if you run it as 100% fuel. In other words like a race car. Then you have washdown, corrossion, and other issues. This is due to the type of injectors and tuning required to run.

The way it is used, as an injection kit, only a small percentage of your fuel is alcohol. Like 10-20% and only under WOT racing conditions. Plenty of oil in gasoline.. By the time its shot into the motor.. it disappears 100%.

After 5 years and tearing down plenty of motors.. only thing I can find is zero carbon buildup on anything.

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Only if you run it as 100% fuel. In other words like a race car. Then you have washdown, corrossion, and other issues. This is due to the type of injectors and tuning required to run.

The way it is used, as an injection kit, only a small percentage of your fuel is alcohol. Like 10-20% and only under WOT racing conditions. Plenty of oil in gasoline.. By the time its shot into the motor.. it disappears 100%.

After 5 years and tearing down plenty of motors.. only thing I can find is zero carbon buildup on anything.


Thats what I wanted to hear more about this fuel for our cars and that is should not affect the rings or anything else with this fuel only being used under boost conditions
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Thats what I wanted to hear more about this fuel for our cars and that is should not affect the rings or anything else with this fuel only being used under boost conditions
If you want your boosted engine to last.. always have fresh oil in it. The oil breaks down faster on blown engines.. especially those raced hard.. its the cheapest maintenance you can perform. And usually the one most overlooked..

Its not a Honda accord driven to and from work... if your the tyoe waiting for 3000 miles.. your going to be buying a new motor.

Maybe this statement helps.. 3000 miles = 12000 1/4 mile passes. I'm still looking for an oil that handles that.
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Originally Posted by Julio
If you want your boosted engine to last.. always have fresh oil in it. The oil breaks down faster on blown engines.. especially those raced hard.. its the cheapest maintenance you can perform. And usually the one most overlooked..

Its not a Honda accord driven to and from work... if your the tyoe waiting for 3000 miles.. your going to be buying a new motor.

Maybe this statement helps.. 3000 miles = 12000 1/4 mile passes. I'm still looking for an oil that handles that.
Good I have been changing my oil about 1500-2000 miles about the time it really starts changing colors, what are your thoughts
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Good I have been changing my oil about 1500-2000 miles about the time it really starts changing colors, what are your thoughts
Perfect. Keep it honey colored.. all is well

Sometimes when I beat on mine heavily.. it may be 200 miles.. sometimes 1500. Oil color, pressure, consistency tell you when its time.
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If I am going to run a D1SC with a stock bottom I plan on being around 51rwhp. Should I go with the Alki system or is it not nessaary?

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Originally Posted by ttboyvette
If I am going to run a D1SC with a stock bottom I plan on being around 51rwhp. Should I go with the Alki system or is it not nessaary?

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With 51RWHP I wouldn't bother.
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Originally Posted by Watch22
With 51RWHP I wouldn't bother.
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If I am going to run a D1SC with a stock bottom I plan on being around 51rwhp. Should I go with the Alki system or is it not nessaary?

Tom
Guess you mean 510 rwhp.. when you start tuning the motor you can make that decision based on knock readings.

Your tuner will have to make that call.
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If I had 51 rwhp no vs 510+ rwhp I would be using alky
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Most Race fuel dealers that carry 100% Meth will add lubricant to the Meth or sell you the lubricant additive to add to your Meth. You can even use this additive with your pump gas when you fill up. If you have any fear it should be what if the Meth pump failed while you in boost and you did not realize it.
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Originally Posted by ForcedVette
Most Race fuel dealers that carry 100% Meth will add lubricant to the Meth or sell you the lubricant additive to add to your Meth. You can even use this additive with your pump gas when you fill up. If you have any fear it should be what if the Meth pump failed while you in boost and you did not realize it.
Careful on additives added to alcohol used in injection systems. Not all systems are the same, not all lubes are compatible. Just like you cant put gasoline in a plastic milk jug yet fuel containers can be plastic.

What if your fuel pump failed.. what if your injector failed.. too many what ifs.. if concerned ... dont race the engine expecting not to break it at some point. This is why monitoring air fuel ratio is important

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