Need help deciding....
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Need help deciding....
I can't decide if I should go with a blower setup from A&A or get H/C from LG. Both are total opposites but would provide miles of smiles. I have owned H/C cars before and loved the sound and attention in traffic. Never have owned a blower but have driven a Vortec C5Z once and was "blown" away. I drive my car daily and do HPDE 4-6 times a year. Never have seen anyone running a blower on the track up here at least on the days I have been there. I would like to know how a blower would stack up to a H/C car on the track and if there would be any heat issues? TIA.
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Blower because when U have 500rwhp it's addictive and trust me you're gonna want more power eventually and with a blower you have room to turn up boost and with heads and cam package your're pretty much at the limit. Both are awesome set-ups though so it really depends on what you will be using the car for and what you will be happy with. Good luck
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A H/C package on a stock cube motor just isn't enough to keep you happy. It'll feel fast for a while, but you'll tire of 400-450 rwhp pretty quickly.
I'd go FI (Turbo or Supercharger) for future upgradeability.
I'd go FI (Turbo or Supercharger) for future upgradeability.
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From: AKA Harvey Mushman-I know just enough to be dangerous "Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither"- B. Franklin
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I'm doing both next week. The nice lope of a H/C and the power of FI!
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From: AKA Harvey Mushman-I know just enough to be dangerous "Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither"- B. Franklin
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My plan was to start with a H/C/LTs combo that would work with a Vortech in a year or two. I got a killer deal on the blower a couple months ago, so everything is happening at once. (It also meant another couple thousand $$for clutch, guages,DTE brace, output shaft...)I'd suggest you look at some ported heads that don't up the CR, and a cam like a Lingenfelter GT2. When you decide that isn't enough (and you will) you could start the hunt for a blower. This way you won't be doing anything but the tune twice.
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I can't decide if I should go with a blower setup from A&A or get H/C from LG. Both are total opposites but would provide miles of smiles. I have owned H/C cars before and loved the sound and attention in traffic. Never have owned a blower but have driven a Vortec C5Z once and was "blown" away. I drive my car daily and do HPDE 4-6 times a year. Never have seen anyone running a blower on the track up here at least on the days I have been there. I would like to know how a blower would stack up to a H/C car on the track and if there would be any heat issues? TIA.
If your doing that many HPDE's, then FI's not ideal. Has it been done, yes, but not ideal.
There's a very good reason why you've never seen FI at your track.
If you do, your going to find out first hand why.
H/C is your best bet. You can alway's go big cubes later if you need more.
Last edited by tlaselva; Mar 11, 2007 at 11:15 PM.
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I have tried a search in this section on road course users but found very little. I know that there are Maggie users that do road courses but have not found any Vortecs. So help me out and tell me why it would be a bad idea. Thanks!
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Hi Eric!
I'm thinking that was MY Vortech Z you drove a bit!
I've done a couple HPDEs with it and have never had any issues with heat or detonation, but then I'm running Torco along with the usual meth when I'm at Pacific Raceways.
My Z has remained trouble free with a tune by A&A and 538rwhp
I've always heard that NA is the best way to go for HPDEs, but I have a hard time funding fault with my current set up. Normal driving around town, unleashing it at will with the right foot is still a rush.
The ECS Novi might also be a consideration. It would be nice to hear from others who road race their FI's more than I do. Umm....JB (JBSBLOWNC5) seems to do fine at HPDEs with his set up!!!
You're welcome to come over again and we'll take 'er out for a longer cruise if you need more help deciding. Still got my number?
Roger
I'm thinking that was MY Vortech Z you drove a bit!
I've done a couple HPDEs with it and have never had any issues with heat or detonation, but then I'm running Torco along with the usual meth when I'm at Pacific Raceways.
My Z has remained trouble free with a tune by A&A and 538rwhp
I've always heard that NA is the best way to go for HPDEs, but I have a hard time funding fault with my current set up. Normal driving around town, unleashing it at will with the right foot is still a rush.The ECS Novi might also be a consideration. It would be nice to hear from others who road race their FI's more than I do. Umm....JB (JBSBLOWNC5) seems to do fine at HPDEs with his set up!!!
You're welcome to come over again and we'll take 'er out for a longer cruise if you need more help deciding. Still got my number?
Roger
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Eric,
Check out: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...e30029d736.htm
One of JB's HPDEs. A search will provide you with a lot more info on his ride and video links.
Roger
Check out: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...e30029d736.htm
One of JB's HPDEs. A search will provide you with a lot more info on his ride and video links.
Roger
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Roger!!! Where you been? I have not forgotten that ride and now its time to do something. I am either going to mod this car or buy one already done. PM me your number again. We need to hook up when the sun comes out.
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I've done HPDEs with a maggie on my '02EBMRZ...it is brilliant. One would be hard-pressed to be able to ask for more...more torque or driveability.
As it's been said, even stock Zs need larger radiators so adding one with an oilcooler is a good thing to do.
And the SCREAM of the maggie on a roadcourse is enough to cause some drivers, who you'll be passing quite a bit, to cower in fear...
THE BANSHEE SCREAM OF BOOST!!!!!!!!!!!
Be good,
TomK
...pending sale, but still available.
As it's been said, even stock Zs need larger radiators so adding one with an oilcooler is a good thing to do.
And the SCREAM of the maggie on a roadcourse is enough to cause some drivers, who you'll be passing quite a bit, to cower in fear...
THE BANSHEE SCREAM OF BOOST!!!!!!!!!!!
Be good,
TomK
...pending sale, but still available.