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Old Mar 14, 2007 | 12:52 AM
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My forged 346 has some oil pressure/ bearing probs. I am thinking of going
with a 402 or 408 and maybe a blower paxton or f1.

who has the best deals/ quality and what setup should I do?

I live at 4500 ft elevation so keep that in mind.
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Old Mar 14, 2007 | 01:25 AM
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Check my signature. Don't know about a 408, but the 402 has done all that I expected and more. No problems!!
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Kromberg lives in the thin air also, he may be good for other pointers also..
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Old Mar 14, 2007 | 11:24 AM
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I went with Texas Speed, they have really good prices and upgrades available. Most of the forum vendors build high quality shortblocks
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Old Mar 14, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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Kromberg lives in the thin air also, he may be good for other pointers also..
Yep I live around 5200' and I race at Bandimere which is 5800'. In general we lose about 2 to 3 psi than the same setup around 1000'. Because of this, we have to spin the blower a little harder to get the same boost level. Spinner the blower harder creates extra heat in the intake charge, so cooling is a issue.

I am running a 402 on a LQ4 block with a stock bore of 4.00". I chose the iron block over aluminum for the iron block's extra strength and cylinder wall thickness. I plan on pushing about 15 to 16 pounds with the F1-R.

Another option is to use the L92 block. It is an iron block also with the same wall thickness are the LQ4 block, but has a bore of 4.060". With a 4.00" stroke crank, that will give you 414 CID and all the strength to run high boost. If the L92 would have been out when I started my project, I would have gone that route.

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With out a doubt, Aluminum 402! You do not want a heavy *** iron 408 in your vette. Besides LS2 blocks will handle big power anyways!
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With out a doubt, Aluminum 402! You do not want a heavy *** iron 408 in your vette. Besides LS2 blocks will handle big power anyways!
I hear the iron block is only 65 pounds heavier.
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I weighed both back to back, its about 110-115lbs heavier.
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Then add about another hundred for the charger/other shiz..

Things can get kinda portly, but thank god there is always smaller pullies
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Originally Posted by master blaster
My forged 346 has some oil pressure/ bearing probs. I am thinking of going
with a 402 or 408 and maybe a blower paxton or f1.

who has the best deals/ quality and what setup should I do?

I live at 4500 ft elevation so keep that in mind.
Forged 402 with Novi 2000 on a 3" pulley and you are well into the 9s assuming you have the fuel supply/driveline to handle it. Actually, ECS is getting well into the 9s on a forged 346. Doug's vert is sure to go 9.5 or better and 4dRush is at 9.7!
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you have sts on the car right? I have a forged 346 from ecs with stock heads, mild cam, manifolds, ecs fuel system blah blah blah.....710/640 out of a mild 346.....after that you better have a turbo 400 and a brake...I can't get the power down as it is. Give ECS a call....I think you'd be more than happy with my setup and it'd be a hell of alot cheaper than a 402/408 buildup, The guys talked me out of a bigger motor and I'm honestly not complaining.
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you have sts on the car right? I have a forged 346 from ecs with stock heads, mild cam, manifolds, ecs fuel system blah blah blah.....710/640 out of a mild 346.....after that you better have a turbo 400 and a brake...I can't get the power down as it is. Give ECS a call....I think you'd be more than happy with my setup and it'd be a hell of alot cheaper than a 402/408 buildup, The guys talked me out of a bigger motor and I'm honestly not complaining.
I live at 4500 ft elevation....so cars feel like they lose 100+ hp compared to sea level. I dont track the car but give it hell for an hour or so in the mountains... Also i think I am throwing in the towel and getting rid of the STS....not happy.....plus I like a loud car when wot....I may go back to a supercharger on a 402.....but I am all

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Originally Posted by master blaster
I live at 4500 ft elevation....so cars feel like they lose 100+ hp compared to sea level. I dont track the car but give it hell for an hour or so in the mountains... Also i think I am throwing in the towel and getting rid of the STS....not happy.....plus I like a loud car when wot....I may go back to a supercharger on a 402.....but I am all
well you've shelled out a good amount of $$ already, we're talking a realistic 5-10K savings on the 346 vs 402/408 because realistically you'd need bigger turbos (if you stay with teh turbos) heads, more internal stuff, etc. adds up VERY quick....hell I wanted a 427 off the bat, and stupidly I still do but realistically the car was more usable at 553 at the wheels than the 710 that its at now. I could hold it on the floor and enjoy now my common sense kicks in some times...not often but sometimes
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Originally Posted by undertaker
you have sts on the car right? I have a forged 346 from ecs with stock heads, mild cam, manifolds, ecs fuel system blah blah blah.....710/640 out of a mild 346.....after that you better have a turbo 400 and a brake...I can't get the power down as it is. Give ECS a call....I think you'd be more than happy with my setup and it'd be a hell of alot cheaper than a 402/408 buildup, The guys talked me out of a bigger motor and I'm honestly not complaining.

100%, time and time again it has been proven like this gentleman and others like ECS, that a good forged LS1/6 346/7 motor is all you need with forced induction to make all the stupid power in the world, much more than you will ever need or be able to hook up on the street. Heck, i'm making 600+rwhp on a bone stock LS6 motor with my ECS D1SC kit running 10lbs!
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Originally Posted by BLOWN ECS Z06
100%, time and time again it has been proven like this gentleman and others like ECS, that a good forged LS1/6 346/7 motor is all you need with forced induction to make all the stupid power in the world, much more than you will ever need or be able to hook up on the street. Heck, i'm making 600+rwhp on a bone stock LS6 motor with my ECS D1SC kit running 10lbs!
guys...i think because i am at 4500 ft elevation i am in a different boat.
cars here lose over a hundred hp compared to sea level....I lived in FL with my procharger and was 542/ 541 rwhp/rwtq ....then i had a shop up the power to 650 rwhp and send me the car in UT at 4500 ft.....the car was
slower with more power at the 4500ft. the new power was 13-14# heads /cam.

thats why I am looking to go bigger. ...trust me..i would love to save money!
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