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Old May 23, 2007 | 10:03 PM
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I am curious as to how much boost drops during a gear change. I have heard that automatics loose very little boost and manuals loose a lot. I’m not trying to toot my own horn, but I can row the gears pretty darn fast. Would watching the boost gauge during a shift really be accurate enough to tell or do you have to somehow use some sort of equipment to log this? What do you think?


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you should be able to log boost/vacume with tuning software and an electric sensor. the sensor will have an electrical output that can be tapped for a signal. kinda the ame way you log AFR's in HPtuners. the nitrous guys sometimes log bottle pressure over a run and match them to their AFR's . you will just have to figure out the values for the tuning software.

xample: sensor output .5v = 5lbs of boost. once you have the sensors highs and lows you an fill the rest in.
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HUH?

You went right over my head.

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You worry about boost drop with turbos not S/C's.

I mean, I guess you could, but since its 100% rpm related (and belt driven), there is nothing you can do about it.

TT's on the other hand is a different story. The time in between shifts causes the turbos to loose some of their momentum. Hence the reason they want as little spool down as possible. The longer the interval, the more the turbo has to ramp back up.
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They actually make a boost guage (like in your guage pod) that allows you to "Record and Playback" your run. This will let you see first hand whats going on.
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Would watching the boost gauge during a shift really be accurate enough to tell or do you have to somehow use some sort of equipment to log this? What do you think?


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Old May 24, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AMERICAN_HP
You worry about boost drop with turbos not S/C's.
This is totally false, with a supercharger you also need to worry about drop, mostly in racing but you still need to be aware of what its doing.
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Originally Posted by AMERICAN_HP
You worry about boost drop with turbos not S/C's.

I mean, I guess you could, but since its 100% rpm related (and belt driven), there is nothing you can do about it.

TT's on the other hand is a different story. The time in between shifts causes the turbos to loose some of their momentum. Hence the reason they want as little spool down as possible. The longer the interval, the more the turbo has to ramp back up.
he is supercharged? here i was thinkin he was turbo....
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Originally Posted by LJo
This is totally false, with a supercharger you also need to worry about drop, mostly in racing but you still need to be aware of what its doing.
With your centri supercharger, the turbine stays spooled even when you close the throttle. Boost is back as fast as the throttle can open, so it's not as much of an issue as with a turbo.
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THATS, what I was meaning.

Sorry for my unclear explanation. It was a looonng day at work.

Well, I'm off to the garage to stab my motor in..
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With your centri supercharger, the turbine stays spooled even when you close the throttle. Boost is back as fast as the throttle can open, so it's not as much of an issue as with a turbo.
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Originally Posted by Warp Factor
With your centri supercharger, the turbine stays spooled even when you close the throttle. Boost is back as fast as the throttle can open, so it's not as much of an issue as with a turbo.
Pretty good theory. On another cent. application logs showed less than 50% drop in boost at it lowest point between gears.

Get a TT guys to show you their log....

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