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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 12:35 AM
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I am thinking of increasing my boost at lower rpms (another post) and also using my alky injection as a power adder and not just as “insurance” as I am now. Problem is I have this fear of the alky failing and the motor going kaboom. So I was wondering if anyone has ever installed two complete separate alky systems in case one fails?


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I am thinking of increasing my boost at lower rpms (another post) and also using my alky injection as a power adder and not just as “insurance” as I am now. Problem is I have this fear of the alky failing and the motor going kaboom. So I was wondering if anyone has ever installed two complete separate alky systems in case one fails?


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A closed loop system can offer sufficient results, but a fail safe mechanism must be employed.

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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 01:25 AM
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A closed loop system can offer sufficient results, but a fail safe mechanism must be employed.

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Which is what? I have no idea how to accomplish this.

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How is alky going to be a power adder?
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How is alky going to be a power adder?
Alky is a power adder when you retune for it and add timing.
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Put your alky nozzle before a IAT sensor-tune the car with alky to a safe 10.8 on the road-if the alky fails your AFR will rise to 11.8-still safe-program the computer IAT tables to pull timing down to 10 degrees if IAT temps go above 130 degrees.
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Put your alky nozzle before a IAT sensor-tune the car with alky to a safe 10.8 on the road-if the alky fails your AFR will rise to 11.8-still safe-program the computer IAT tables to pull timing down to 10 degrees if IAT temps go above 130 degrees.
This is good info...Thanks Arun! What if the IAT sensor is built into the MAF (2001 5 wire MAF)? Should I move the IAT sensor and where is the best place to put it?

Thanks again for the info Arun and LV Vette for the thread!
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Originally Posted by LuvmyC5
This is good info...Thanks Arun! What if the IAT sensor is built into the MAF (2001 5 wire MAF)? Should I move the IAT sensor and where is the best place to put it?

Thanks again for the info Arun and LV Vette for the thread!
I've run Alky for a few years now. I relocated my IAT after the nozzle. I also run Torco, so my octane is up there anyway. There is also a light on alkycontols system that tells you when you are making pressure.

Works for me.

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Alky is a power adder when you retune for it and add timing.
That doesn't make it a "power adder". It's the change in tune that adds the power. All the alky does is keep it from blowing up. If alky is a power adder, a bigger radiator is a power adder, race gas is a power adder, etc.
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Originally Posted by Gannet
That doesn't make it a "power adder". It's the change in tune that adds the power. All the alky does is keep it from blowing up. If alky is a power adder, a bigger radiator is a power adder, race gas is a power adder, etc.
Turbos are a power adder in your definition, correct?

How much power do you think they add at 15psi without a retune?

We're splitting hairs to argue this point at all, and no -- alky is not officially considered a power adder -- but I thought your question was a genuine one about how alky adds power, not a question intended to point out that not all things that add power are considered power adders.

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Originally Posted by jbsblownc5
I've run Alky for a few years now. I relocated my IAT after the nozzle. I also run Torco, so my octane is up there anyway. There is also a light on alkycontols system that tells you when you are making pressure.

Works for me.

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Thanks JB!

Originally Posted by Gannet
That doesn't make it a "power adder". It's the change in tune that adds the power. All the alky does is keep it from blowing up. If alky is a power adder, a bigger radiator is a power adder, race gas is a power adder, etc.

Alky is a power adder because it's what allows you to add more timing or another pound or two of boost. It's the means to an end. It keeps it cooler so that it doesn't blow up, kind of like a wet N20 system adds fuel to keep the spray from scattering engine parts on the road.

If you don't think meth is a power adder, then why don't the Guys who race the Top Fuelers run gasoline? It's because the NitroMETHane supports the extra burn, or look at a Top Alcohol funny car or an F1 car.

I'm not trying to start an arguement or anything, just giving my point of view and offering fuel (pun intended) for a FRIENDLY debate.
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Originally Posted by LuvmyC5
This is good info...Thanks Arun! What if the IAT sensor is built into the MAF (2001 5 wire MAF)? Should I move the IAT sensor and where is the best place to put it?

Thanks again for the info Arun and LV Vette for the thread!

You can get an IAT sensor relocation kit from Caspers or Jet-just cut the 2 wires going to the maf and join them to the iat sensor relocation kit.

This will also give you better perfomance on hot days as the iat sensor will see the actual temperature with meth spraying so it can account for it.
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Originally Posted by eb02z06
You can get an IAT sensor relocation kit from Caspers or Jet-just cut the 2 wires going to the maf and join them to the iat sensor relocation kit.

This will also give you better perfomance on hot days as the iat sensor will see the actual temperature with meth spraying so it can account for it.

Thank You!
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I have safeinjection by snow it senses if there is meth flowing and if there is a failer that it will open your blowoff valve so you cant make boost .It is a great failsafe devise.............
Thanks Paul.............

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