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Boost & Meth Injection ??
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Burning Brakes
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Boost & Meth Injection ??
I have requested my tuner to go from a safe 7.0lb boost no meth tune to a 10lb boost and add methenol injection. How much torque and HP can I expect to gain? By the way this is on a TTi X kit
Thanks,
The Big Dog
Thanks,
The Big Dog
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Methanol injection will get you another 35-50 HP (Depending on fuel available and tuner)
So with the B@@ST 60 HP + 40 Methanol = 100 HP @ the RW's!
This would be a safe assumption especially sionce you are doing the methanol injection!
I too am doing the Methanol this week as my AlkyControl Kit will be delivered tomorrow (Checked the Delivery Schedule all is right on time
)I should get right around 35-45 HP on the Meth injection due to California's crappy gas!
I will post my results some time next week when Doug @ LAPD gets back from the SEMA show!
Make sure you post your results for us!
Thanks,Matt
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Are you running a forged bot engine?
Even with meth, if you aren't, you might be risking some serious trouble at that boost level. You might want to run that by Doug at ECS before you jump in with both feet.
If you do have a forged engine, best of luck. Enjoy.
PS. I picked up about 40 hp when I installed the meth(ECS system).
Even with meth, if you aren't, you might be risking some serious trouble at that boost level. You might want to run that by Doug at ECS before you jump in with both feet.
If you do have a forged engine, best of luck. Enjoy.
PS. I picked up about 40 hp when I installed the meth(ECS system).
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Are you running a forged bot engine?
Even with meth, if you aren't, you might be risking some serious trouble at that boost level. You might want to run that by Doug at ECS before you jump in with both feet.
If you do have a forged engine, best of luck. Enjoy.
PS. I picked up about 40 hp when I installed the meth(ECS system).
Even with meth, if you aren't, you might be risking some serious trouble at that boost level. You might want to run that by Doug at ECS before you jump in with both feet.
If you do have a forged engine, best of luck. Enjoy.
PS. I picked up about 40 hp when I installed the meth(ECS system).
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TTi is still tweaking my setup but I think they said they hit around 630rwhp on my stock 01 LS6 with meth @ 10 lbs. I will probably hold it to around 9# to be (a little) safer. It's amazing how things have changed in the last two years when going over 6 or 7 Lbs of boost was considered to be really pushing your luck.
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Lot of variables, but I'd say run the 10 psi and skip the meth.
I ran my stock lower end with and without meth with my TTi Stage X kit and didn't run into trouble. 600 rwhp or so on a Mustang dyno. That was a great daily driver / conservative setup.
I ran my stock lower end with and without meth with my TTi Stage X kit and didn't run into trouble. 600 rwhp or so on a Mustang dyno. That was a great daily driver / conservative setup.
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Good news that you are running trouble free. Most folks who are running over 7 lbs should really consider meth. It's a cheap safety precaution and is very effective at lowering the temp of your intake charge.
I road race my car weekly and it makes a huge difference to retard heat soak (along w radiator and oil cooler upgrades). It also is great on hot summer days.
The addl hp you gain from a FI set up, can drop like a rock when your air intake temps rise and the engine gets hot. The computer pulls timing and it starts to run like a dog.
Our friend should step up and get meth!
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Good news that you are running trouble free. Most folks who are running over 7 lbs should really consider meth. It's a cheap safety precaution and is very effective at lowering the temp of your intake charge.
I road race my car weekly and it makes a huge difference to retard heat soak (along w radiator and oil cooler upgrades). It also is great on hot summer days.
The addl hp you gain from a FI set up, can drop like a rock when your air intake temps rise and the engine gets hot. The computer pulls timing and it starts to run like a dog.
Our friend should step up and get meth!
I road race my car weekly and it makes a huge difference to retard heat soak (along w radiator and oil cooler upgrades). It also is great on hot summer days.
The addl hp you gain from a FI set up, can drop like a rock when your air intake temps rise and the engine gets hot. The computer pulls timing and it starts to run like a dog.
Our friend should step up and get meth!
Do you have your IAT sensor still in the MAF or did you move it? I'd think that if you placed the IAT sensor after the meth nozzle, then your computer would be tricked into thinking that your IAT's are lower. Then I'd think that you'd set your tune up to pull timing in case the meth quit working. Maybe you could tell me if I'm wrong in this line of thought because I'm just trying to learn something here.
I do agree about getting the meth though!
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Possible lower compression (headwork) or timing under 14 degrees? Because I found it impossible to run 9-10psi on 92 pump gas, stock LS6 at 14-15 deg, without getting some gnarly spark knock. However adding meth made it possible! 
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Well they say that for every pound of B@@ST you get 20 HP so with your set-up you should see 3 Lbs X 20 = 60HP
Methanol injection will get you another 35-50 HP (Depending on fuel available and tuner)
So with the B@@ST 60 HP + 40 Methanol = 100 HP @ the RW's!
This would be a safe assumption especially sionce you are doing the methanol injection!
I too am doing the Methanol this week as my AlkyControl Kit will be delivered tomorrow (Checked the Delivery Schedule all is right on time )
I should get right around 35-45 HP on the Meth injection due to California's crappy gas!
I will post my results some time next week when Doug @ LAPD gets back from the SEMA show!
Make sure you post your results for us!
Thanks,Matt
Methanol injection will get you another 35-50 HP (Depending on fuel available and tuner)
So with the B@@ST 60 HP + 40 Methanol = 100 HP @ the RW's!
This would be a safe assumption especially sionce you are doing the methanol injection!
I too am doing the Methanol this week as my AlkyControl Kit will be delivered tomorrow (Checked the Delivery Schedule all is right on time
)I should get right around 35-45 HP on the Meth injection due to California's crappy gas!
I will post my results some time next week when Doug @ LAPD gets back from the SEMA show!
Make sure you post your results for us!
Thanks,Matt
So after you install meth injection, do you have to dyno tune the car again, or is a tune not required?
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Well they say that for every pound of B@@ST you get 20 HP so with your set-up you should see 3 Lbs X 20 = 60HP
Methanol injection will get you another 35-50 HP (Depending on fuel available and tuner)
So with the B@@ST 60 HP + 40 Methanol = 100 HP @ the RW's!
This would be a safe assumption especially sionce you are doing the methanol injection!
I too am doing the Methanol this week as my AlkyControl Kit will be delivered tomorrow (Checked the Delivery Schedule all is right on time )
I should get right around 35-45 HP on the Meth injection due to California's crappy gas!
I will post my results some time next week when Doug @ LAPD gets back from the SEMA show!
Make sure you post your results for us!
Thanks,Matt
Methanol injection will get you another 35-50 HP (Depending on fuel available and tuner)
So with the B@@ST 60 HP + 40 Methanol = 100 HP @ the RW's!
This would be a safe assumption especially sionce you are doing the methanol injection!
I too am doing the Methanol this week as my AlkyControl Kit will be delivered tomorrow (Checked the Delivery Schedule all is right on time
)I should get right around 35-45 HP on the Meth injection due to California's crappy gas!
I will post my results some time next week when Doug @ LAPD gets back from the SEMA show!
Make sure you post your results for us!
Thanks,Matt
Thanks,
The Big Dog
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I'm not sure, but you might be under-estimating the power of 20rwhp/psi. My setup produced more like 30rwhp/psi including alky. Are you running a stock LS1? Get that big dog into the tuners and show us what it does!
Hey lucky, if the setup is tuned properly and then adding meth will make it pig rich, depending on how much gain is set on the meth controller. I would say that yes you want to retune after adding alky, to keep the AFR under control.
Hey lucky, if the setup is tuned properly and then adding meth will make it pig rich, depending on how much gain is set on the meth controller. I would say that yes you want to retune after adding alky, to keep the AFR under control.
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You now own 7 PSI of B@@ST right?
Now 20 HP + the 3 extra Pounds of B@@ST = 60HP + 40 HP Meth = 100 RWHP addition to your currnt set-up!
Depending on the tuner he will be able to get more and do so safely with the Methanol injection!
Ohhhhh! By the way my kit just arrived and I'm looking over the instructions!
Thanks,Matt