Anyone Tried This
Le Mans Master
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Scotty, if you do this, are you going to Overspin the Air pump? 
Your idea with the BAP would make it spin faster wouldn't it because it'd increase voltage to the pump or am I way off on this?
Your idea with the BAP would make it spin faster wouldn't it because it'd increase voltage to the pump or am I way off on this?
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Since Racetronix markets the wiring harness I would suspect that your company should have some data on the performance. How much vacuum would the stand alone AIR pump pull?...Since run only in boosted situations can the AIR pump be driven by BAP, if so how much did vacuum increase?...There has to be some product data for Racetronix"s R&D to bring this product to market, also some customer testimonial/feedback. Any information will be greatly appreciated 
The amount of vacuum achieved will be determined by the air pump(s) used, plumbing components, configuration, how well a motor is sealed, supply voltage, etc.
We are only supplying a simple and reliable means by which to power these pumps. No more no less. Everything else is D-I-Y.
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A BAP may be used to get more air flow. It would not cause pump failure because it would only run for short periods of time under WOT. Given the cost of a BAP it would be MUCH cheaper to run a second pump instead.
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Overspin that Sucka 
I feel that may be the easiest way to increase vacuum from what most say is minimal in which case it could underperform and may never achieve it's objective. Hell, it may not be enough anyway, but worth a try before it goes into "useless parts box" 
BAP to increase vacuum??...I've heard worse
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This product was designed as a simple wiring solution for the 3 Delphi air pumps listed in our ad based on pre-existing customer demand in the Turbo Buick market (Grand National's) for D-I-Y EVAC systems.
The amount of vacuum achieved will be determined by the air pump(s) used, plumbing components, configuration, how well a motor is sealed, supply voltage, etc.
We are only supplying a simple and reliable means by which to power these pumps. No more no less. Everything else is D-I-Y.
The amount of vacuum achieved will be determined by the air pump(s) used, plumbing components, configuration, how well a motor is sealed, supply voltage, etc.
We are only supplying a simple and reliable means by which to power these pumps. No more no less. Everything else is D-I-Y.
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Yeah Buddy Overspin that Sucka I feel that may be the easiest way to increase vacuum from what most say is minimal in which case it could underperform and may never achieve it's objective. Hell, it may not be enough anyway, but worth a try before it goes into "useless parts box" BAP to increase vacuum??...I've heard worse
Overspin that Sucka I feel that may be the easiest way to increase vacuum from what most say is minimal in which case it could underperform and may never achieve it's objective. Hell, it may not be enough anyway, but worth a try before it goes into "useless parts box" BAP to increase vacuum??...I've heard worse There were two groups of people in the Buick crowd. One group that had never tried it and sat there all day posting misguided theories in an attempt to convince the masses how it could not work. The second group of people are the ones using the EVAC system who sat back laughing at the first group replacing their oil pan and rear main seals again and again. Chances are the Delphi pumps will not produce enough air volume / vacuum to increase HP BUT they will definitely help reduce oil loss.
Yes, there is the odd chance the system will not work for some people. It would not be any great loss considering the minimal cost of assembly. People have spent far more on questionable items in the pursuit of performance enhancements.
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As stated before there is no problem running a BAP with a Delphi air pump. You will not over-spin the air pump. Over-spinning a DC motor is a poor choice of words. A DC electric motor is not typically over-spun. It will typically run faster as more voltage is applied. A BAP will not produce enough voltage to overheat the pump motor based on the short bursts of operation / WOT.
There were two groups of people in the Buick crowd. One group that had never tried it and sat there all day posting misguided theories in an attempt to convince the masses how it could not work. The second group of people are the ones using the EVAC system who sat back laughing at the first group replacing their oil pan and rear main seals again and again. Chances are the Delphi pumps will not produce enough air volume / vacuum to increase HP BUT they will definitely help reduce oil loss.
Yes, there is the odd chance the system will not work for some people. It would not be any great loss considering the minimal cost of assembly. People have spent far more on questionable items in the pursuit of performance enhancements.
There were two groups of people in the Buick crowd. One group that had never tried it and sat there all day posting misguided theories in an attempt to convince the masses how it could not work. The second group of people are the ones using the EVAC system who sat back laughing at the first group replacing their oil pan and rear main seals again and again. Chances are the Delphi pumps will not produce enough air volume / vacuum to increase HP BUT they will definitely help reduce oil loss.
Yes, there is the odd chance the system will not work for some people. It would not be any great loss considering the minimal cost of assembly. People have spent far more on questionable items in the pursuit of performance enhancements.
Thanks, well said
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As stated before there is no problem running a BAP with a Delphi air pump. You will not over-spin the air pump. Over-spinning a DC motor is a poor choice of words. A DC electric motor is not typically over-spun. It will typically run faster as more voltage is applied. A BAP will not produce enough voltage to overheat the pump motor based on the short bursts of operation / WOT.
There were two groups of people in the Buick crowd. One group that had never tried it and sat there all day posting misguided theories in an attempt to convince the masses how it could not work. The second group of people are the ones using the EVAC system who sat back laughing at the first group replacing their oil pan and rear main seals again and again. Chances are the Delphi pumps will not produce enough air volume / vacuum to increase HP BUT they will definitely help reduce oil loss.
Yes, there is the odd chance the system will not work for some people. It would not be any great loss considering the minimal cost of assembly. People have spent far more on questionable items in the pursuit of performance enhancements.
There were two groups of people in the Buick crowd. One group that had never tried it and sat there all day posting misguided theories in an attempt to convince the masses how it could not work. The second group of people are the ones using the EVAC system who sat back laughing at the first group replacing their oil pan and rear main seals again and again. Chances are the Delphi pumps will not produce enough air volume / vacuum to increase HP BUT they will definitely help reduce oil loss.
Yes, there is the odd chance the system will not work for some people. It would not be any great loss considering the minimal cost of assembly. People have spent far more on questionable items in the pursuit of performance enhancements.
I put in my purchase today for the one to fit my '98's pump!
I will be using it in conjunction with the other evac system on my SuperCharged set-up!
I will post my results and how I did it! Perhaps with some pics too!
It is a good idea it will and should eliminte a decent amount of pressure, I mean look at it this way if it is sucking and it is hooked to the valve cover then it will suck out some pressure!
I look at this way it is like running METH it can be looked upon as a safety device! or extra precaution!
Thanks for the kit and the link once again!
Thanks,Matt
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I appreciate your responses her today!
I put in my purchase today for the one to fit my '98's pump!
I will be using it in conjunction with the other evac system on my SuperCharged set-up!
I will post my results and how I did it! Perhaps with some pics too!
It is a good idea it will and should eliminte a decent amount of pressure, I mean look at it this way if it is sucking and it is hooked to the valve cover then it will suck out some pressure!
I look at this way it is like running METH it can be looked upon as a safety device! or extra precaution!
Thanks for the kit and the link once again!
Thanks,Matt
I put in my purchase today for the one to fit my '98's pump!
I will be using it in conjunction with the other evac system on my SuperCharged set-up!
I will post my results and how I did it! Perhaps with some pics too!
It is a good idea it will and should eliminte a decent amount of pressure, I mean look at it this way if it is sucking and it is hooked to the valve cover then it will suck out some pressure!
I look at this way it is like running METH it can be looked upon as a safety device! or extra precaution!
Thanks for the kit and the link once again!
Thanks,Matt
