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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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Ok guys, I currently have a 224-581/228-589 115 on my383 with a D1SC making about 13 Lbs. of Boost, I have a friend of mine selling me a 231-580/239-595 114...........My question is, will I see a big improvement or will I be pushing it! ! ! !
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 08:21 PM
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Blowers like wide lobe seperation angles. Your friends cam with 114* may have so much overlap that it will cause a drop in boost and extra unburned charge in the exhaust that can overheat the cats, if you have theml. If your set up is rich in wot like it should be, then when a little extra air meets up with the cats while they are rich under wot, you may shorten their life. But it will have a nice idle...
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 08:35 PM
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Blowers like wide lobe seperation angles. Your friends cam with 114* may have so much overlap that it will cause a drop in boost and extra unburned charge in the exhaust that can overheat the cats, if you have theml. If your set up is rich in wot like it should be, then when a little extra air meets up with the cats while they are rich under wot, you may shorten their life. But it will have a nice idle...
I disagree, I had a similar cam 232/242 on a 114 in my 347, it made over 20 psi when pullied up, ran 9.6@147 lifting-I would actually look for something bigger. That cam had over 60 degrees of overlap. My new cam has around 75-85 degrees.

Mike-what's your CR?
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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Cam Spec Junkie "Lurking"
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 09:48 PM
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Cam Spec Junkie "Lurking"
, HA me too.
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 10:16 PM
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All that work just for a cam swap? If you really want to step it up slap on an F1A.
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by eb02z06
I disagree, I had a similar cam 232/242 on a 114 in my 347, it made over 20 psi when pullied up, ran 9.6@147 lifting-I would actually look for something bigger. That cam had over 60 degrees of overlap. My new cam has around 75-85 degrees.

Mike-what's your CR?
Awesome and what are you running in your 402
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 10:51 PM
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Awesome and what are you running in your 402
Top Secret Development....If Arun told you, he would then have to kill you
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by peter pan
Awesome and what are you running in your 402
Actually I was just discussing that with my engine builder today. Were just putting on the finishing touches on a new cam that should rev to 7500-7800 rpm hydraulic roller. It will consist of a cam with lobes that are not what everyone expects, special pushrods and a custom spring package. Just imagine what an extra 1000 rpm would do? You could run a biigger pulley and get more wrap with less chance of slip!

Say for example if we worked something out for Mike's car-right now with the 3.6 pulley at 6800 he's spinning the blower at 58 083-if he has a 7.5 crank pulley-now spin the motor to 7800-that's 66 625 blower rpm.

I'll have the parts soon-they take some time to order but if it all pans out-everyone will benefit!
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Originally Posted by NemesisC5
Top Secret Development....If Arun told you, he would then have to kill you
When I find out what works I'll tell everyone! It's all for my centri bro's-for us it's all about rpm and keeping the belt on!
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When I find out what works I'll tell everyone! It's all for my centri bro's-for us it's all about rpm and keeping the belt on!
RPM's Rock!!!!.....Nothing like a screaming Air Pump!!!! C6Dude (Perry) has a video with a 7600rpm blip (massive tire spin) on a 402 that is just insane
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Originally Posted by eb02z06
Actually I was just discussing that with my engine builder today. Were just putting on the finishing touches on a new cam that should rev to 7500-7800 rpm hydraulic roller. It will consist of a cam with lobes that are not what everyone expects, special pushrods and a custom spring package. Just imagine what an extra 1000 rpm would do? You could run a biigger pulley and get more wrap with less chance of slip!

Say for example if we worked something out for Mike's car-right now with the 3.6 pulley at 6800 he's spinning the blower at 58 083-if he has a 7.5 crank pulley-now spin the motor to 7800-that's 66 625 blower rpm.

I'll have the parts soon-they take some time to order but if it all pans out-everyone will benefit!
Arun, that is just awesome 7800 means Sick HP numbers go higher and the mile runs I like to do will be much more fun

Originally Posted by NemesisC5
RPM's Rock!!!!.....Nothing like a screaming Air Pump!!!! C6Dude (Perry) has a video with a 7600rpm blip (massive tire spin) on a 402 that is just insane
Is this on the C6 FI board? I want to see this as I am saving for my C6 and then to drop in a LS2/3 Stroker and one of those big ATI head units
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Originally Posted by NemesisC5
RPM's Rock!!!!.....Nothing like a screaming Air Pump!!!! C6Dude (Perry) has a video with a 7600rpm blip (massive tire spin) on a 402 that is just insane
I've been waiting for him to post a dyno sheet to see a graph that pulls that hi. Spinning tires to 7600 is alot different that spinning to 7600 under load.

Hopefully we can find a drop-in spring (1.27) that has enough seat pressure-if not machining the heads is just not feasable for everyone-nor do I want to do.

That's not all-then we need to find a pushrod that will fit without machining.

Then to make things worse-the right duration to be able to spin that hi but still be tuneable.

I spent all day on the phone trying to put these parts of the puzzle together-hopefully I'll have some answers this week!
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Mike you need to switch to an 8rib before you go swaping cams...
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Originally Posted by chriswtx
Mike you need to switch to an 8rib before you go swaping cams...
Do both at the same time
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Originally Posted by mdhmi
All that work just for a cam swap? If you really want to step it up slap on an F1A.
I found myself wanting to switch cams this winter and decided that all that work justified upgrading a few other things. Just ask Chris.(who gladly took my money. )
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Originally Posted by NemesisC5
RPM's Rock!!!!.....Nothing like a screaming Air Pump!!!! C6Dude (Perry) has a video with a 7600rpm blip (massive tire spin) on a 402 that is just insane
We need a link please.
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We need a link please.
Here's a link to Perry's web page with videos, I did not remember which vid it was on a thread starter with "7600rpm blast", but if you look through them I'm sure you'll be entertained

http://www.dpecorvettes.com/Download.html
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Originally Posted by chriswtx
Mike you need to switch to an 8rib before you go swaping cams...
Thats what Im thinking on doing! ! Both at the same time! !
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MIKE-C5
Thats what Im thinking on doing! ! Both at the same time! !
Just do it Bro!!!!....With all your High Performance Goodies and trips to the track an 8-rib is lonnnnnnnngggg overdue
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