Which super charger? PLEASE HELP.
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Which super charger? PLEASE HELP.
Hey guys! I have a 99FRC with the common bolt on's. Supermaxx headers, magnaflow exshaust, LS-6 intake, 4.10 rear, Halltech air intake. I will be purchasing a supercharger in a few months and Im more confused now than ever as to which one to purchase after reading way to many articals about superchargers. I hear alot of good things about A&A's setup. I also been looking at Kenne Bell style supercharger. Im looking for good low eng torque. Im not looking to go 200 mph. I like the feeling of alot of pull off the line and something thats fun to drive. I will most likely be intalling the setup myself so which style supercharger is easier to install and whats the PROS and CONS of each style system. THANKS
Burning Brakes
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From: Ocala FL
Hey guys! I have a 99FRC with the common bolt on's. Supermaxx headers, magnaflow exshaust, LS-6 intake, 4.10 rear, Halltech air intake. I will be purchasing a supercharger in a few months and Im more confused now than ever as to which one to purchase after reading way to many articals about superchargers. I hear alot of good things about A&A's setup. I also been looking at Kenne Bell style supercharger. Im looking for good low eng torque. Im not looking to go 200 mph. I like the feeling of alot of pull off the line and something thats fun to drive. I will most likely be intalling the setup myself so which style supercharger is easier to install and whats the PROS and CONS of each style system. THANKS
You may not want to wait a few months. Kenne Bell, ECS, and A&A all have sales going on right now!
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St. Jude Donor '06 & '12
Well, then you just answered your own question...
NOTHING on the current LS based market gives you the torque curve of a KB. No centrifufal, TT, or nitrous setup..
But.. You can still go 200mph if you choose. It doesnt run out of breath like the other positive displacement blowers.
If you DONT choose a KB, then definately go with an ECS kit.
If you choose a TT, then definately go with a TTi-X.
I have installed every type of F/I other than a TTi kit. The KB is the easiest to install due to the fact that the entire system sits on top of the motor. I cant speak wether or not its easier than a TTi kit though.
As far as instructions go for the DIY'r...The KB has EVEY kit out there beat by a LOOONNNGGG shot. Its got OVER 300 high res pictures, not to mention it covers literally every nut and bolt of the kit (ALONG with the picture of the nut and bolt).
NOTHING on the current LS based market gives you the torque curve of a KB. No centrifufal, TT, or nitrous setup..
But.. You can still go 200mph if you choose. It doesnt run out of breath like the other positive displacement blowers.
If you DONT choose a KB, then definately go with an ECS kit.
If you choose a TT, then definately go with a TTi-X.
I have installed every type of F/I other than a TTi kit. The KB is the easiest to install due to the fact that the entire system sits on top of the motor. I cant speak wether or not its easier than a TTi kit though.
As far as instructions go for the DIY'r...The KB has EVEY kit out there beat by a LOOONNNGGG shot. Its got OVER 300 high res pictures, not to mention it covers literally every nut and bolt of the kit (ALONG with the picture of the nut and bolt).
I also been looking at Kenne Bell style supercharger. Im looking for good low eng torque. Im not looking to go 200 mph. I like the feeling of alot of pull off the line and something thats fun to drive. I will most likely be intalling the setup myself so which style supercharger is easier to install and whats the PROS and CONS of each style system. THANKS
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St. Jude Donor '06 & '12
The CONS of the KB are:
Cons of the ECS Kit:
Cons of other major brand centrifugals: (non ecs)
- The required hood..(That is included in the kit at no additional charge) I love my hood though..
- The attention you get from 300 foot long burnouts going light to light.
- Higher low speed/idle IAT's in hot climates.
- INSTANT FULL BOOST. Although thats the purpose of a KB, some people dont like it..
Cons of the ECS Kit:
- Chris is a pretty ugly dude, and Doug is like 85 years old
- The unpreditcable power delivery do to the boost being RPM dependant (Centrifugals in general)
- Needing to be NHRA licensed cause it seems they only go 9's or lower.
- The lloks of the supercharger.. (Centrifugals in general. They dont have the "Traditional" blower look)"This is a PERSONAL opinion though"
Cons of other major brand centrifugals: (non ecs)
- Be prepared for "Upgrades" every other month. These are not FREE upgrades. Stage 1, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, etc etc...
- The use of OE styled plastic idlers, and plasti tubing.
- Just less "Quality overall"
Last edited by Jeff @ TPE; Jun 22, 2008 at 06:16 PM.
Safety Car
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From: Bella Vista Ca
With any one of those systems you cannot go wrong. The A&A and ECS are both very well known here and reliable. As for torque, traction is the issue with any SC. Unless you are running slicks you will not be able to get a solid hook at any low speeds if you floor the throttle.
Burning Brakes
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From: Glendora CA
Jeff I know you use the dyno chart below as your sig. but dont you think you need to have a disclaimer on this once. Since it seams that the OP is looking to bolt on this to his current engine and not a built 402. He may think thats how much torque he will get. Also if he has 4.11s in the car he should change them if he is going to use a KB (and possible even a centri.) because of how much torque the KB does make on a stock engine 
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Former Vendor
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St. Jude Donor '06 & '12
Your right.. I was NOT saying this is the type of POWER you will make, but the torque you will make a such a low RPM..
Your right...4.11's are wayyyyyyyyyy to mucg gear for ANY F/I car.. INHO
Even on a stock kit, most ALL other F/I doesnt come close.
The graphs below are a:
STOCK 7psi LS1 C5
Stock 7psi vs 8psi (Not sure of the series of car though. I think is another Stock Z06 run)
STOCK 9.5 psi Z06 (with a 90mm vs 76mm TB test) (In the top graph)
Stock 7psi Z06 (In the bottom graph)
These tunes were STANDARD base tunes from KB on 42lb injectors, and a boost a pump. These were NOT tunes from any of the CF tuners.
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Your right...4.11's are wayyyyyyyyyy to mucg gear for ANY F/I car.. INHO
Even on a stock kit, most ALL other F/I doesnt come close.
The graphs below are a:
STOCK 7psi LS1 C5
Stock 7psi vs 8psi (Not sure of the series of car though. I think is another Stock Z06 run)
STOCK 9.5 psi Z06 (with a 90mm vs 76mm TB test) (In the top graph)
Stock 7psi Z06 (In the bottom graph)
These tunes were STANDARD base tunes from KB on 42lb injectors, and a boost a pump. These were NOT tunes from any of the CF tuners.
Jeff I know you use the dyno chart below as your sig. but dont you think you need to have a disclaimer on this once. Since it seams that the OP is looking to bolt on this to his current engine and not a built 402. He may think thats how much torque he will get. Also if he has 4.11s in the car he should change them if he is going to use a KB (and possible even a centri.) because of how much torque the KB does make on a stock engine
Last edited by Jeff @ TPE; Jun 22, 2008 at 07:09 PM. Reason: Verified the testing for application accuracy
Drifting
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From: Va Beach VA
St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'10
FedEx Bowl 4 St. Jude '09
Jeff,
I installed the Cobra intercooler like you had and Ed made me a custom intake box and I now see IAT's under 100 while cruising around town or at idle. Not to bad and way better than before the mods.
I installed the Cobra intercooler like you had and Ed made me a custom intake box and I now see IAT's under 100 while cruising around town or at idle. Not to bad and way better than before the mods.
The CONS of the KB are:
Cons of the ECS Kit:
Cons of other major brand centrifugals: (non ecs)
- The required hood..(That is included in the kit at no additional charge) I love my hood though..
- The attention you get from 300 foot long burnouts going light to light.
- Higher low speed/idle IAT's in hot climates.
- INSTANT FULL BOOST. Although thats the purpose of a KB, some people dont like it..
Cons of the ECS Kit:
- Chris is a pretty ugly dude, and Doug is like 85 years old
- The unpreditcable power delivery do to the boost being RPM dependant (Centrifugals in general)
- Needing to be NHRA licensed cause it seems they only go 9's or lower.
- The lloks of the supercharger.. (Centrifugals in general. They dont have the "Traditional" blower look)"This is a PERSONAL opinion though"
Cons of other major brand centrifugals: (non ecs)
- Be prepared for "Upgrades" every other month. These are not FREE upgrades. Stage 1, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, etc etc...
- The use of OE styled plastic idlers, and plasti tubing.
- Just less "Quality overall"
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St. Jude Donor '06 & '12
Cool..I'm working on a "Cold Air" upgrade system for the KB for car in extreme heat climates or guys who roadrace.
I cant divulge what it will ALL include, but it will be a GUARANTEED winner..
PLUS, very shortly, I will be releasing a methanol PLATE system that installs between the intercooler and the blower.
NOW we'll be talking about IAT's at or below your most effective centrifugal and TT systems..
I cant divulge what it will ALL include, but it will be a GUARANTEED winner..
PLUS, very shortly, I will be releasing a methanol PLATE system that installs between the intercooler and the blower.
NOW we'll be talking about IAT's at or below your most effective centrifugal and TT systems..
Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '17-'18-'19
You need to get this done before I put it back together. The other project I have been working on is the dual nozzle Meth install as well.
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O.K. guys thanks fopr all the great input. I am for sure leaning toward ther Kenne Bell system. The only issue I see is the traction problems with the 4.10's. But another rear is out of the question. So it looks like I will jus thave to deal with that. THANKS guys. And anyone else with more info please chime in.
Melting Slicks
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From: Still the Fastest (still running) Stock Bottom End Blown LS1/ 2010 ECS CC 10.50 CHAMP Hamilton, NJ
1. Do a search., there are way too many times this subject has come up
2. Call ECS or A&A, neither one will point you in the wrong direction. They both have a great product. (Although I am bias on my ECS Novi)
3. Call ECS back and buy a Novi !
4. Get rid of the gears and put in 3.42's.
And the power from my ECS Novi is incredibly predictable. Boost comes on at about 2400 and never stops. Yes it is dependant on RPM. But very smooth, consistant insane power...
(ALL UNDER THE STOCK HOOD) Makes it a sleeper, no one will know how much power you have until they are staring at your tail!!
2. Call ECS or A&A, neither one will point you in the wrong direction. They both have a great product. (Although I am bias on my ECS Novi)
3. Call ECS back and buy a Novi !
4. Get rid of the gears and put in 3.42's.
And the power from my ECS Novi is incredibly predictable. Boost comes on at about 2400 and never stops. Yes it is dependant on RPM. But very smooth, consistant insane power...
(ALL UNDER THE STOCK HOOD) Makes it a sleeper, no one will know how much power you have until they are staring at your tail!!
Former Vendor
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From: Las Vegas NV
St. Jude Donor '06 & '12
Actually, you have one of the most desireable rear ends..
If/When you decide to swap, You will have 50 guys begging you to do a swap. Heck, you can probably make money on the deal..
If when you decide to pull the trigger on the KB, let me know. Especially if you plan on gettin in on this sale. Cause although the S/C's are plentyfull, if we run out of hoods, it'll take 3-4 weeks to make more.
And as everyone has mentioned, KB not only has NEVER allowed a DIY mailorder sale, they've never been advertised with a discount. NEVER in KB's history have they ever been sold to the public at net dealer cost...
If/When you decide to swap, You will have 50 guys begging you to do a swap. Heck, you can probably make money on the deal..
If when you decide to pull the trigger on the KB, let me know. Especially if you plan on gettin in on this sale. Cause although the S/C's are plentyfull, if we run out of hoods, it'll take 3-4 weeks to make more.
And as everyone has mentioned, KB not only has NEVER allowed a DIY mailorder sale, they've never been advertised with a discount. NEVER in KB's history have they ever been sold to the public at net dealer cost...
O.K. guys thanks fopr all the great input. I am for sure leaning toward ther Kenne Bell system. The only issue I see is the traction problems with the 4.10's. But another rear is out of the question. So it looks like I will jus thave to deal with that. THANKS guys. And anyone else with more info please chime in.
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From: Wimauma FL
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=2008570
I have one of Andy's old Procharger D1 and it makes great power.
I have one of Andy's old Procharger D1 and it makes great power.