SC installation
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Melting Slicks
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SC installation
Do the new stage II Procharger systems require you replace the stock radiator bracket (and fans)? I was told that it was NOT necessary to replace the bracket, but everything I've read shows it has to be
I REALLY don't want to swap the bracket out if it's not necessary.
NOTE: If anyone has the installation instructions for the Procharger P1SC-1, I'd really like to read what's involved
I REALLY don't want to swap the bracket out if it's not necessary.NOTE: If anyone has the installation instructions for the Procharger P1SC-1, I'd really like to read what's involved
Drifting
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Do the new stage II Procharger systems require you replace the stock radiator bracket (and fans)? I was told that it was NOT necessary to replace the bracket, but everything I've read shows it has to be I REALLY don't want to swap the bracket out if it's not necessary.
NOTE: If anyone has the installation instructions for the Procharger P1SC-1, I'd really like to read what's involved
I REALLY don't want to swap the bracket out if it's not necessary.NOTE: If anyone has the installation instructions for the Procharger P1SC-1, I'd really like to read what's involved
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Melting Slicks
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I know this sounds dumb coming from someone that's worked on these things for years, but what "skidplate" are you refering to. I recived the "used" kit I purchased, (which has no instructions to read) and it has a large frame with a fan attacted to it, and some type of flat filter bolted "into" the frame at the end opposite the fan
Drifting
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I know this sounds dumb coming from someone that's worked on these things for years, but what "skidplate" are you refering to. I recived the "used" kit I purchased, (which has no instructions to read) and it has a large frame with a fan attacted to it, and some type of flat filter bolted "into" the frame at the end opposite the fan
I would not use the old Procharger single fan/filter/shroud setup.
If you contact Procharger, tell them you are thinking of buying a stage II C5 kit, they will send you a install manual for free.
Team Owner
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That is NOT a stageII kit. The stageII kit comes with a new skid plate (aka radiator support) which allows the radiator to tilt backwards. The stock fans are reused.
I would not use the old Procharger single fan/filter/shroud setup.
If you contact Procharger, tell them you are thinking of buying a stage II C5 kit, they will send you a install manual for free.
I would not use the old Procharger single fan/filter/shroud setup.
If you contact Procharger, tell them you are thinking of buying a stage II C5 kit, they will send you a install manual for free.
I used the single fan setup briefly and it caused all sorts of heating problems. Back to running the stock fans with the filter now sitting above the radiator. Much better setup and no overheating.
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Melting Slicks
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What makes a stage II kit?
It was sold to me as a stage II.
I was told that the bracket is the "updated bracket (although I don't know what the old one looks like) and it has the dual intercoolers. I am supposed to receive the blower Tuesday, and I guess I can call with the serial # and see if they can tell me more about it.
Will I just need to buy (something else to buy) the radiator support? I already think I need to replace the idler pulley. It seems to be worn (flat spotted) pretty bad.
It was sold to me as a stage II.
I was told that the bracket is the "updated bracket (although I don't know what the old one looks like) and it has the dual intercoolers. I am supposed to receive the blower Tuesday, and I guess I can call with the serial # and see if they can tell me more about it. Will I just need to buy (something else to buy
) the radiator support? I already think I need to replace the idler pulley. It seems to be worn (flat spotted) pretty bad.That is NOT a stageII kit. The stageII kit comes with a new skid plate (aka radiator support) which allows the radiator to tilt backwards. The stock fans are reused.
I would not use the old Procharger single fan/filter/shroud setup.
If you contact Procharger, tell them you are thinking of buying a stage II C5 kit, they will send you a install manual for free.
I would not use the old Procharger single fan/filter/shroud setup.
If you contact Procharger, tell them you are thinking of buying a stage II C5 kit, they will send you a install manual for free.
Drifting
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From: Northern VA
What makes a stage II kit?
It was sold to me as a stage II. I was told that the bracket is the "updated bracket (although I don't know what the old one looks like) and it has the dual intercoolers. I am supposed to receive the blower Tuesday, and I guess I can call with the serial # and see if they can tell me more about it.
Will I just need to buy (something else to buy) the radiator support? I already think I need to replace the idler pulley. It seems to be worn (flat spotted) pretty bad.
It was sold to me as a stage II.
I was told that the bracket is the "updated bracket (although I don't know what the old one looks like) and it has the dual intercoolers. I am supposed to receive the blower Tuesday, and I guess I can call with the serial # and see if they can tell me more about it. Will I just need to buy (something else to buy
) the radiator support? I already think I need to replace the idler pulley. It seems to be worn (flat spotted) pretty bad.Post some pics when you can.
Serial # of blower should provide info on which kit it was sold with originally.
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Melting Slicks
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Well I got SHAFTED!!
I just checked my intercoolers and they are 3 1/2" wide with 2 1/2" inlet (not 4 1/2" and 3" like the stage two states)
I'm not sure what info the blower itself will have, but I would think that it would cost SO MUCH to update this kit, that I would probably be better off trying to get my money back and just start looking again
This literly makes me sick to my stomach I trusted the forum member when he told me which kit this was
I just checked my intercoolers and they are 3 1/2" wide with 2 1/2" inlet (not 4 1/2" and 3" like the stage two states)
I'm not sure what info the blower itself will have, but I would think that it would cost SO MUCH to update this kit, that I would probably be better off trying to get my money back and just start looking again
This literly makes me sick to my stomach
I trusted the forum member when he told me which kit this was
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Well I got SHAFTED!!
I just checked my intercoolers and they are 3 1/2" wide with 2 1/2" inlet (not 4 1/2" and 3" like the stage two states)
I'm not sure what info the blower itself will have, but I would think that it would cost SO MUCH to update this kit, that I would probably be better off trying to get my money back and just start looking again
This literly makes me sick to my stomach I trusted the forum member when he told me which kit this was
I just checked my intercoolers and they are 3 1/2" wide with 2 1/2" inlet (not 4 1/2" and 3" like the stage two states)
I'm not sure what info the blower itself will have, but I would think that it would cost SO MUCH to update this kit, that I would probably be better off trying to get my money back and just start looking again
This literly makes me sick to my stomach
I trusted the forum member when he told me which kit this was
He may not of honestly known what he had. The Stage 11 P-1SC-1 6 rib system is shown in the above pictures. Bob
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Melting Slicks
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Well, sadly enough it is as clear as it will get. I emailed the seller and he said the money was gone and he couldn't refund it
To be clear. He had purchased it from another forum member (he never put it on) that told him it was a stage II.
I have NEVER misrepresented anything I have ever sold on this forum,(and I don't know that this member did which is why I will not give his name) but the original member just flat out lied, and I'm the one that gets STUCK. I guess life just bites you sometimes
To be clear. He had purchased it from another forum member (he never put it on) that told him it was a stage II.
I have NEVER misrepresented anything I have ever sold on this forum,(and I don't know that this member did which is why I will not give his name) but the original member just flat out lied, and I'm the one that gets STUCK. I guess life just bites you sometimes
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The "old" H.O. system used an air filter in a single fan radiator shroud and as everyone has already said it cause overheating issues.
If you have the H.O. system and want to upgrade to the stg 2 cooling system it can be purchased from any of our dealers.
p/n 2GKSU-001
It includes a new drop cradle that holds the radiator and allows you to run the stock twin fans. It comes with a top shroud and the upgraded air inlet system that sits over the top of the radiator along with the necessary hoses and brackets to work with the H.O.system.
This is the upgrade you are looking for.
Lance
If you have the H.O. system and want to upgrade to the stg 2 cooling system it can be purchased from any of our dealers.
p/n 2GKSU-001
It includes a new drop cradle that holds the radiator and allows you to run the stock twin fans. It comes with a top shroud and the upgraded air inlet system that sits over the top of the radiator along with the necessary hoses and brackets to work with the H.O.system.
This is the upgrade you are looking for.
Lance
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Melting Slicks
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The "old" H.O. system used an air filter in a single fan radiator shroud and as everyone has already said it cause overheating issues.
If you have the H.O. system and want to upgrade to the stg 2 cooling system it can be purchased from any of our dealers.
p/n 2GKSU-001
It includes a new drop cradle that holds the radiator and allows you to run the stock twin fans. It comes with a top shroud and the upgraded air inlet system that sits over the top of the radiator along with the necessary hoses and brackets to work with the H.O.system.
This is the upgrade you are looking for.
Lance
If you have the H.O. system and want to upgrade to the stg 2 cooling system it can be purchased from any of our dealers.
p/n 2GKSU-001
It includes a new drop cradle that holds the radiator and allows you to run the stock twin fans. It comes with a top shroud and the upgraded air inlet system that sits over the top of the radiator along with the necessary hoses and brackets to work with the H.O.system.
This is the upgrade you are looking for.
Lance
Obviously one of the problems will lie in the cost. I'm afraid that after I pay to upgrade to the stage II (havn't checked the cost yet) I will have as much in this old system as I would in a new system (tuner kit)
Second; Even after I upgrade the parts listed above, I still have the small intercoolers and small inlet ducts, which have to be less efficient than the updated/larger ones that Procharger went to.
I'm still waiting on the head unit (FedEx's fault) to see if I spent two years savings on a shiny paperweight
Extreme Ecstasy to disappointment in a matter of hours
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Thanks Lance
Obviously one of the problems will lie in the cost. I'm afraid that after I pay to upgrade to the stage II (havn't checked the cost yet) I will have as much in this old system as I would in a new system (tuner kit)
Second; Even after I upgrade the parts listed above, I still have the small intercoolers and small inlet ducts, which have to be less efficient than the updated/larger ones that Procharger went to.
I'm still waiting on the head unit (FedEx's fault) to see if I spent two years savings on a shiny paperweight
Extreme Ecstasy to disappointment in a matter of hours
Obviously one of the problems will lie in the cost. I'm afraid that after I pay to upgrade to the stage II (havn't checked the cost yet) I will have as much in this old system as I would in a new system (tuner kit)
Second; Even after I upgrade the parts listed above, I still have the small intercoolers and small inlet ducts, which have to be less efficient than the updated/larger ones that Procharger went to.
I'm still waiting on the head unit (FedEx's fault) to see if I spent two years savings on a shiny paperweight
Extreme Ecstasy to disappointment in a matter of hours
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Melting Slicks
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So after I buy injectors, I would have about the same as I would have had in one of Andy's kits (on sale) And I won't know until I get the head unit and bracket if it'll even be worth it
Well' I might just have to leave it all in a box, and mark it under lessions learned; Don't take peoples word on ANYTHING.
And I won't know until I get the head unit and bracket if it'll even be worth itWell' I might just have to leave it all in a box, and mark it under lessions learned; Don't take peoples word on ANYTHING.
Racer
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So after I buy injectors, I would have about the same as I would have had in one of Andy's kits (on sale) And I won't know until I get the head unit and bracket if it'll even be worth it
Well' I might just have to leave it all in a box, and mark it under lessions learned; Don't take peoples word on ANYTHING.
And I won't know until I get the head unit and bracket if it'll even be worth itWell' I might just have to leave it all in a box, and mark it under lessions learned; Don't take peoples word on ANYTHING.
Drifting
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I don't know what to do either...I do have a buddy here in sunny HOT HUMID Florida that has the H.O. with the single fan setup. It has been on his car for well over 3 years and has had zero problems. I think I'm gonna give mine a shot and see if it really is that big of a problem or if it is another forum overreaction.
If you are handy, it would not be too difficult to mod what you have.
You would need to mod your radiator bracket to lay the radiator back and retain the stock fans/shroud. This would allow you to run a new modded blower intake over the top of the radiator. Then you need to make an upper shroud to enclose the area between the top of the radiator and the front fascia.
Materials cost to do this is reasonable. Labor will obviously vary depending on what you are capable of...
A little searching on the forum would give you the info you need.
To the OP: With any luck, you may have an upgraded bracket...
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Melting Slicks
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Thanks FRC
I was thinking the same thing about making the bracket. I used to fab brackets/repair parts for the F15 fighter, so I should be able to make this;
If I just knew what it looked like. If I could see one, or at least know where it needs to be moved to, I could proably make one
As far as the intake, that looks like pretty easy. It would be a matter of getting the proper size filter (that would fit in the area available) and connect it to the SC with the proper size tubing (sounds easier than it is, but if I can find the right materials, it's doable)
IF....The bracket and blower are not "old style" the next issue would be the smaller intercoolers and tubing. I'm going to run a meth kit, which should make up for the intercooler size, but the inlets and outlets and plumbing are certainly going to affect the flow. If I can't get 550-580rwhp out of it, I'm not going to put it on
I've contacted several of the supercharger vendors, and so far SOME have been very helpful. If I can get this resolved, I will make sure to recognise the ones that helped out, and they will definitely get MY business in the future
I was thinking the same thing about making the bracket. I used to fab brackets/repair parts for the F15 fighter, so I should be able to make this;
If I just knew what it looked like. If I could see one, or at least know where it needs to be moved to, I could proably make oneAs far as the intake, that looks like pretty easy. It would be a matter of getting the proper size filter (that would fit in the area available) and connect it to the SC with the proper size tubing (sounds easier than it is, but if I can find the right materials, it's doable)
IF....The bracket and blower are not "old style" the next issue would be the smaller intercoolers and tubing. I'm going to run a meth kit, which should make up for the intercooler size, but the inlets and outlets and plumbing are certainly going to affect the flow. If I can't get 550-580rwhp out of it, I'm not going to put it on
I've contacted several of the supercharger vendors, and so far SOME have been very helpful. If I can get this resolved, I will make sure to recognise the ones that helped out, and they will definitely get MY business in the future
Drifting
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This will get you started:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/5800373-post25.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1567249053-post4.html
You could just ditch the intercoolers and run meth. That would certainly relieve any restriction
I don't have proof, but I don't think the smaller intercoolers are the problem, but rather the retarded (and restrictive) blower intake.
In any event, these things are not that hard to upgrade over time. The only pain in the *** of any C5 blower install is pinning the crank, IMHO.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/5800373-post25.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1567249053-post4.html
You could just ditch the intercoolers and run meth. That would certainly relieve any restriction
I don't have proof, but I don't think the smaller intercoolers are the problem, but rather the retarded (and restrictive) blower intake.
In any event, these things are not that hard to upgrade over time. The only pain in the *** of any C5 blower install is pinning the crank, IMHO.