Maggie questions
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Maggie questions
Just have a few questions about maggies on C5's that hopefully you guys can answer for me.
1.) Install seems like it would be very easy not having to deal with any charge piping, etc..... How is the install really? Compared to a centri kit?
2.) I haven't seen any great numbers from maggie guys like you do with the ESC and A&A kits. I understand this pretty much because the maggies max out pretty early. What exactly can these maggies put out that are supplied in the C5 kits?
3.) I know maggies do pretty well down low and are known to fall off a bit on the top end compared to a centri set-up, but whats holding back maggie owners from pulley/belt swaps to see 8-10 psi and 500+ RWHP along with that low-end?
4.) What vendors sell maggie kits?
Thank you!
1.) Install seems like it would be very easy not having to deal with any charge piping, etc..... How is the install really? Compared to a centri kit?
2.) I haven't seen any great numbers from maggie guys like you do with the ESC and A&A kits. I understand this pretty much because the maggies max out pretty early. What exactly can these maggies put out that are supplied in the C5 kits?
3.) I know maggies do pretty well down low and are known to fall off a bit on the top end compared to a centri set-up, but whats holding back maggie owners from pulley/belt swaps to see 8-10 psi and 500+ RWHP along with that low-end?
4.) What vendors sell maggie kits?
Thank you!
Drifting
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From: Torrance Calif
Installation is very straightforward, but the replacing of the hood ain't cheap (for a good one)
I dynoed at 489rwhp.
I am happy with that.
http://www.southerncarparts.com/corv...ger-p-471.html
I dynoed at 489rwhp.
I am happy with that.
http://www.southerncarparts.com/corv...ger-p-471.html
Melting Slicks
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Just have a few questions about maggies on C5's that hopefully you guys can answer for me.
1.) Install seems like it would be very easy not having to deal with any charge piping, etc..... How is the install really? Compared to a centri kit?
2.) I haven't seen any great numbers from maggie guys like you do with the ESC and A&A kits. I understand this pretty much because the maggies max out pretty early. What exactly can these maggies put out that are supplied in the C5 kits?
3.) I know maggies do pretty well down low and are known to fall off a bit on the top end compared to a centri set-up, but whats holding back maggie owners from pulley/belt swaps to see 8-10 psi and 500+ RWHP along with that low-end?
4.) What vendors sell maggie kits?
Thank you!
1.) Install seems like it would be very easy not having to deal with any charge piping, etc..... How is the install really? Compared to a centri kit?
2.) I haven't seen any great numbers from maggie guys like you do with the ESC and A&A kits. I understand this pretty much because the maggies max out pretty early. What exactly can these maggies put out that are supplied in the C5 kits?
3.) I know maggies do pretty well down low and are known to fall off a bit on the top end compared to a centri set-up, but whats holding back maggie owners from pulley/belt swaps to see 8-10 psi and 500+ RWHP along with that low-end?
4.) What vendors sell maggie kits?
Thank you!
Le Mans Master
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With my 402ci 112 maggie the best so far is 595rwh and 740rwt with a slipping belt, boost was aroung 18lbs at 3500rpms and was around 10lbs at 6500rpms. Now with my new belt system I'm seeing 20lbs and boost is holding. Need to get her back on the dyno. I have a video's in my signature.
We made 700rwhp (on a mustang dyno) with the blue vette in my avatar last year on a forged LS6 and 14psi of boost and a moderate tune. (kenne bell 2.8)
This year, same blower but forged bottom end LQ9 Block..... Time for big boost!
I cannot speak for the "maggie" install. But the Kenne bell install is pretty straight forward, most difficult athing about it is pulling the front bumper off..... Coolant res mounts over the battery, coolant pump mounts behind the bumper, heat exchanger mounts behind the bumper, pretty simple...
Twin screws are AWSEOME for the street, the low end grunt is phenominal! Although I dont recommend magnachargers, twin screws are the way to go unless its stricktly a "race" car.
Last edited by breecher_7; Feb 13, 2009 at 06:52 AM.
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Maggie install is very straight forward. You don't have to pull the front bumper.
To me the hardest part was getting the rack out of the way to pin the crank.
I make 502 rwhp at 5.5 psi on 91 octane. Heads/Cam/Headers and 10.9 compression. Conservative tune. Could pulley swap and add meth for another 2 psi and would be close to 550 rwhp.
To me the hardest part was getting the rack out of the way to pin the crank.
I make 502 rwhp at 5.5 psi on 91 octane. Heads/Cam/Headers and 10.9 compression. Conservative tune. Could pulley swap and add meth for another 2 psi and would be close to 550 rwhp.
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stock shortblock? have any videos? also any track times?
Maggie install is very straight forward. You don't have to pull the front bumper.
To me the hardest part was getting the rack out of the way to pin the crank.
I make 502 rwhp at 5.5 psi on 91 octane. Heads/Cam/Headers and 10.9 compression. Conservative tune. Could pulley swap and add meth for another 2 psi and would be close to 550 rwhp.
To me the hardest part was getting the rack out of the way to pin the crank.
I make 502 rwhp at 5.5 psi on 91 octane. Heads/Cam/Headers and 10.9 compression. Conservative tune. Could pulley swap and add meth for another 2 psi and would be close to 550 rwhp.
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Melting Slicks
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With 20lbs of boost you better be touching 800rwhp with no problems at all, especially with a 402ci
We made 700rwhp (on a mustang dyno) with the blue vette in my avatar last year on a forged LS6 and 14psi of boost and a moderate tune. (kenne bell 2.8)
This year, same blower but forged bottom end LQ9 Block..... Time for big boost!
I cannot speak for the "maggie" install. But the Kenne bell install is pretty straight forward, most difficult athing about it is pulling the front bumper off..... Coolant res mounts over the battery, coolant pump mounts behind the bumper, heat exchanger mounts behind the bumper, pretty simple...
Twin screws are AWSEOME for the street, the low end grunt is phenominal! Although I dont recommend magnachargers, twin screws are the way to go unless its stricktly a "race" car.
We made 700rwhp (on a mustang dyno) with the blue vette in my avatar last year on a forged LS6 and 14psi of boost and a moderate tune. (kenne bell 2.8)
This year, same blower but forged bottom end LQ9 Block..... Time for big boost!
I cannot speak for the "maggie" install. But the Kenne bell install is pretty straight forward, most difficult athing about it is pulling the front bumper off..... Coolant res mounts over the battery, coolant pump mounts behind the bumper, heat exchanger mounts behind the bumper, pretty simple...
Twin screws are AWSEOME for the street, the low end grunt is phenominal! Although I dont recommend magnachargers, twin screws are the way to go unless its stricktly a "race" car.
Racer
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I think they drive well, and have good TQ and HP numbers, seem reliable too. All systems have their areas that make them better. And if you want a solid street vehicle what is wrong with 500RWHP and gobbs of tourqe. I am sure as you see from many of the posts there are not so good results when you venture into 600 - 700 numbers.
Just do it and have fun
Just do it and have fun
Racer
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I got a question for you.
Why are you even considering a Maggie when you have better alternatives available to you for about the same money?
ECS Novi, Kenne Bell, TTi-X twin turbo ???
The Maggie has been put in the dumpster by the alternatives available. Don't waste your time.
Why are you even considering a Maggie when you have better alternatives available to you for about the same money?
ECS Novi, Kenne Bell, TTi-X twin turbo ???
The Maggie has been put in the dumpster by the alternatives available. Don't waste your time.
Le Mans Master
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I got a question for you.
Why are you even considering a Maggie when you have better alternatives available to you for about the same money?
ECS Novi, Kenne Bell, TTi-X twin turbo ???
The Maggie has been put in the dumpster by the alternatives available. Don't waste your time.
Why are you even considering a Maggie when you have better alternatives available to you for about the same money?
ECS Novi, Kenne Bell, TTi-X twin turbo ???
The Maggie has been put in the dumpster by the alternatives available. Don't waste your time.
What your doing with the car plays into what blower you use as well.. For a street car I wouldnt run a centri or turbo setup, the lack of the bottom end torque is boring. Twin screws like the maggies, kenne's and whipples are where its at for the street! But they will never make the big power up top like a turbo or centri will.
Stay tuned to my build, it went 700rwhp last year, it should with god willing hit 1000hp this summer using the 2.8 kenne on a built 6.0 iron block.
Melting Slicks
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I have a tendency to agree with you but apparently maggies are "favored" by vette owners for some odd reaon. Ive seen them all go head to head on the dyno and as far as twin screws go Kenne Bell dominiates and whipple comes up second. The magnachargers are good blowers, there is no denying that, but there design intent was not big power, they were designed as a power adder for a stock engine. And for there desinged purpose, they work great, they put 500rwhp down without a problem.
What your doing with the car plays into what blower you use as well.. For a street car I wouldnt run a centri or turbo setup, the lack of the bottom end torque is boring. Twin screws like the maggies, kenne's and whipples are where its at for the street! But they will never make the big power up top like a turbo or centri will.
Stay tuned to my build, it went 700rwhp last year, it should with god willing hit 1000hp this summer using the 2.8 kenne on a built 6.0 iron block.
What your doing with the car plays into what blower you use as well.. For a street car I wouldnt run a centri or turbo setup, the lack of the bottom end torque is boring. Twin screws like the maggies, kenne's and whipples are where its at for the street! But they will never make the big power up top like a turbo or centri will.
Stay tuned to my build, it went 700rwhp last year, it should with god willing hit 1000hp this summer using the 2.8 kenne on a built 6.0 iron block.
Le Mans Master
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On the street TQ is fun this is why the maggie is loved so much, it makes the best low end TQ ( my car 740rwt at 3000rpms ) who want's to wait for 5000rpms to feel power. There are more maggies on vette's then Novi's, prochargers and vortechs combind. The sales speak for them self. This is why the new super vette ZR1 has a maggie in it and not any of the others. Maggies rock!!!!
The ZR1's blower is not made by magnacharger or "maggie", its a 2.3L twin screw eaton.... "Maggie" is a brand, magnacharger... Not a type of a blower.
Not bustin your *****, just letting the unaware know.
As I said before, I agree, twin screws are the way to go for street cars!
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On the street TQ is fun this is why the maggie is loved so much, it makes the best low end TQ ( my car 740rwt at 3000rpms ) who want's to wait for 5000rpms to feel power. There are more maggies on vette's then Novi's, prochargers and vortechs combind. The sales speak for them self. This is why the new super vette ZR1 has a maggie in it and not any of the others. Maggies rock!!!!
And they look really good. KB looks good too it's just that damn hood that killed it for me.
Went to a car show a while back a guy had a polished Procharger and heard a guy telling his buddy to check out the neat polished AC compressor.
It's all what a guy wants but a Roots or Twin screw is a lot more fun light to light then waiting for a Centri to get into boost. IMHO
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The ZR1's blower is not made by magnacharger or "maggie", its a 2.3L twin screw eaton.... "Maggie" is a brand, magnacharger... Not a type of a blower.
Not bustin your *****, just letting the unaware know.
As I said before, I agree, twin screws are the way to go for street cars!
Not bustin your *****, just letting the unaware know.
As I said before, I agree, twin screws are the way to go for street cars!
Not bustin your *****, just letting the unaware know.
Melting Slicks
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The ZR1's blower is not made by magnacharger or "maggie", its a 2.3L twin screw eaton.... "Maggie" is a brand, magnacharger... Not a type of a blower.
Not bustin your *****, just letting the unaware know.
As I said before, I agree, twin screws are the way to go for street cars!
Not bustin your *****, just letting the unaware know.
As I said before, I agree, twin screws are the way to go for street cars!
The 112, 122, 1.9 and 2.3 tvs are all made by Eatons, but some companys build a kit around it like magnachager. They all come from the same family of root blowers.
Last edited by FunCool; Feb 14, 2009 at 10:34 AM.
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Its not that I am ruling them out. Im fact, I never even said I wanted a maggie.... I just had some questions about them, haha. I have just read exactly what you guys are all posting now... maggies are good for reliability, but not big hp. I was just looking and it doesnt seem I can find ANY results on someone who ran boost with a maggie like the d1 and vortech guys on stock motor. All i see is like 5-6 psi with a maggie.... why not 8-10?
I had a custom t3/t4 set-up on my last Trans Am and then an APS kit. I love the turbo power but they are so cramped and much more hassles I've found from personal experience with heat, oil line AND coolant lines running all over and eventually cracking leaks. I am looking into a blower and just trying to clear up questions about all of them. I have pretty much all the info and results I need on a centri from searching. I still would also like to see results of a 2.6 KB on a stock motor with 8-10 psi also........ or a maggie for that matter!!!!!!!!!!
I had a custom t3/t4 set-up on my last Trans Am and then an APS kit. I love the turbo power but they are so cramped and much more hassles I've found from personal experience with heat, oil line AND coolant lines running all over and eventually cracking leaks. I am looking into a blower and just trying to clear up questions about all of them. I have pretty much all the info and results I need on a centri from searching. I still would also like to see results of a 2.6 KB on a stock motor with 8-10 psi also........ or a maggie for that matter!!!!!!!!!!