Problem with STS Oil Pump
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07
Problem with STS Oil Pump
I got the alarm that the Auxilary oil pump is not working on my STS system. I have had this problem before but ECS or another shop took care of it while I was away. Now I am on my own, in NC with no shop that will touch the car in the area.
I love the STS kit, but absolutely hate this oil setup, I am tempted to redesign a system myself
In the meantime I would like ti fix this, any suggestions? Beyond checking the fuse and that the wires are connected? I have a volt meter and can check whatever I need to, I just don't know what to look for.
STS is sending me a Manual shortly so I will also be able to look through that. Thanks for any help or suggestions!
I love the STS kit, but absolutely hate this oil setup, I am tempted to redesign a system myself
In the meantime I would like ti fix this, any suggestions? Beyond checking the fuse and that the wires are connected? I have a volt meter and can check whatever I need to, I just don't know what to look for.
STS is sending me a Manual shortly so I will also be able to look through that. Thanks for any help or suggestions!
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07
Idea
Here is an Idea for a redesigned System. Tank and pump will go in the center stowage area of the Vette, Maybe outside and mounted behind the bumper...
For the Pump I was thinknig about this: Tilton Oil Cooler Pump
For the Tank, I still need Ideas but something that would fit in the Center Stowage Area. Something like this Tank
Things I don't know are:
What fittings are in the pump?
How hot will the Oil Get?
Do I need a Filter?
Good place to get Key on Power, Maybe use existing STS Harness.
Things I can Measure are:
Dimensions of Containter
Legnths I need of hose
Legnth I need of wire
Thoughts? Concerns? What Am I Overlooking?
For the Pump I was thinknig about this: Tilton Oil Cooler Pump
For the Tank, I still need Ideas but something that would fit in the Center Stowage Area. Something like this Tank
Things I don't know are:
What fittings are in the pump?
How hot will the Oil Get?
Do I need a Filter?
Good place to get Key on Power, Maybe use existing STS Harness.
Things I can Measure are:
Dimensions of Containter
Legnths I need of hose
Legnth I need of wire
Thoughts? Concerns? What Am I Overlooking?
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Once you get the manual, wire the pump so that it is always in high speed mode. If that has already been done, STS has only one other option that I know of. They snd you a second pump system to run in series with your original one. Not the best way to go, but that's what I have experienced lately.
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Bought it for a customer and ended up not using it.
Very nice setup.
I am in Knoxville, TN. Don't know why no one would touch the car, but I am an ECS dealer and TTi Dealer i am sure I can take care of whatever you wanted.
Let me know if I can help.
Nick
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07
Once you get the manual, wire the pump so that it is always in high speed mode. If that has already been done, STS has only one other option that I know of. They snd you a second pump system to run in series with your original one. Not the best way to go, but that's what I have experienced lately.
I have one of these here in stock, they are top notch.
Bought it for a customer and ended up not using it.
Very nice setup.
I am in Knoxville, TN. Don't know why no one would touch the car, but I am an ECS dealer and TTi Dealer i am sure I can take care of whatever you wanted.
Let me know if I can help.
Nick
Bought it for a customer and ended up not using it.
Very nice setup.
I am in Knoxville, TN. Don't know why no one would touch the car, but I am an ECS dealer and TTi Dealer i am sure I can take care of whatever you wanted.
Let me know if I can help.
Nick
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+1... the way you have it setup it, it would end up not working for several reasons.
1. The oil would take FOREVER to get to temp if it even did.
2. The pump would probably no prime.
3. As pointed out above you are not feeding pressure to the turbos, which is a must,they don't require a TON of oil, but there has to be pressure there.
There are other reasons as well, but that will suffice.
1. The oil would take FOREVER to get to temp if it even did.
2. The pump would probably no prime.
3. As pointed out above you are not feeding pressure to the turbos, which is a must,they don't require a TON of oil, but there has to be pressure there.
There are other reasons as well, but that will suffice.
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+1... the way you have it setup it, it would end up not working for several reasons.
1. The oil would take FOREVER to get to temp if it even did.
2. The pump would probably no prime.
3. As pointed out above you are not feeding pressure to the turbos, which is a must,they don't require a TON of oil, but there has to be pressure there.
There are other reasons as well, but that will suffice.
1. The oil would take FOREVER to get to temp if it even did.
2. The pump would probably no prime.
3. As pointed out above you are not feeding pressure to the turbos, which is a must,they don't require a TON of oil, but there has to be pressure there.
There are other reasons as well, but that will suffice.
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Here is an Idea for a redesigned System. Tank and pump will go in the center stowage area of the Vette, Maybe outside and mounted behind the bumper...
For the Pump I was thinknig about this: Tilton Oil Cooler Pump
For the Tank, I still need Ideas but something that would fit in the Center Stowage Area. Something like this Tank
Things I don't know are:
What fittings are in the pump?
How hot will the Oil Get?
Do I need a Filter?
Good place to get Key on Power, Maybe use existing STS Harness.
Things I can Measure are:
Dimensions of Containter
Legnths I need of hose
Legnth I need of wire
Thoughts? Concerns? What Am I Overlooking?
For the Pump I was thinknig about this: Tilton Oil Cooler Pump
For the Tank, I still need Ideas but something that would fit in the Center Stowage Area. Something like this Tank
Things I don't know are:
What fittings are in the pump?
How hot will the Oil Get?
Do I need a Filter?
Good place to get Key on Power, Maybe use existing STS Harness.
Things I can Measure are:
Dimensions of Containter
Legnths I need of hose
Legnth I need of wire
Thoughts? Concerns? What Am I Overlooking?
http://www.turbowerx.com/Scavenge_Pu.../Exa-Pump.html
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07
A major problem with the STS system is where the oil pump is mounted. Most pumps are p***-poor at pulling fluids. Pumps are designed to efficiently push fluids. Move your pump to the rear of you Corvette and use this pump:
http://www.turbowerx.com/Scavenge_Pu.../Exa-Pump.html
http://www.turbowerx.com/Scavenge_Pu.../Exa-Pump.html
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I can't see the underside of your particular car, so you will have to determine where to mount the pump.
As far as plumbing, I would run a short #8 line, with an internal spring to prevent collaspe under vacuum from each turbo to the pump that I recommended. Out of that pump I would run a #6 line forward to whatever switch, etc. STS has provided.
Good luck with your installation.
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07
Is this pump a Pull or a push pump?
The guy who is doing the install is concerned it is too high flow for the STS System.
Can the pump be installed in the front on the car in the same configuration as the origonal STS setup? or does it need to be mounted in the rear?
Thanks
The guy who is doing the install is concerned it is too high flow for the STS System.
Can the pump be installed in the front on the car in the same configuration as the origonal STS setup? or does it need to be mounted in the rear?
Thanks
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Is this pump a Pull or a push pump?
The guy who is doing the install is concerned it is too high flow for the STS System.
Can the pump be installed in the front on the car in the same configuration as the origonal STS setup? or does it need to be mounted in the rear?
Thanks
The guy who is doing the install is concerned it is too high flow for the STS System.
Can the pump be installed in the front on the car in the same configuration as the origonal STS setup? or does it need to be mounted in the rear?
Thanks
The objective of the pump is to return oil from the Turbos to your sump. All pumps push better than they suck. The Turbowerkz pump is best mounted in the rear of the vehicle where it is closest to the Turbos.
This pump cannot return more oil than your Turbos discharge. Why is your installer concerned with efficiently returning oil to your sump after the Turbos have discharged the oil?
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The objective of the pump is to return oil from the Turbos to your sump. All pumps push better than they suck. The Turbowerkz pump is best mounted in the rear of the vehicle where it is closest to the Turbos.
This pump cannot return more oil than your Turbos discharge. Why is your installer concerned with efficiently returning oil to your sump after the Turbos have discharged the oil?
This pump cannot return more oil than your Turbos discharge. Why is your installer concerned with efficiently returning oil to your sump after the Turbos have discharged the oil?
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The oil that comes out of the turbo is basically just a foamy thin stream. The oil stream is not like an oil line pumping full of oil. The feed is only a -3 line with a restrictor in it.
Also you are not recirculating anything. You are simply pumping the oil back to the pan, valve cover, etc. There is not really any head pressure, again because you don't have a pump that is full of fluid.
Hope that helps.
Put hte pump in the original location and see if that works for you.
