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Aug 15, 2009 | 03:51 AM

D C

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Anyone else besides Fran and the fellas at Race Proven Motorsports done a 3 nozzle meth setup on their F/I application?

What do you think about it?

Aug 15, 2009 | 08:30 AM

madmatt9471

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From: Palmdale, Ca----- 2009 Cyber Gray 4LT A6 F55 452 RWHP 422 RWTQ- RIP 1998 C5 734 RWHP & 585 RWTQ-----

I have not heard of it myself! But I would think dual would be enough!

Otherwise you might be leaning too heavy on the Meth and with a failure - well who knows

Thanks,Matt

Aug 15, 2009 | 12:08 PM

BLOWNBLUEZ06

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It's on my list to try. 3rd nozzle (very small) in the input the the charger. Will lower IAT's and increase boost.

Aug 15, 2009 | 01:53 PM

exploder

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I have one on my car and it works pretty well. I use m15 nozzles in the intake in front of the TB and a m10 in front of the charger.

Aug 15, 2009 | 04:03 PM

JET LEE

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Doesn't the methanol cause oxidation of aluminum to occur? I thought I have read that some where?

Aug 15, 2009 | 09:16 PM

BLOWNBLUEZ06

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Originally Posted by JET LEE

Doesn't the methanol cause oxidation of aluminum to occur? I thought I have read that some where?

Yes it does. Methanol is acidic. It also evaporates quickly, so the small amount we spray combined with the amounts of air these SC cars move, it doesn't stay in any one place for very long.

Aug 15, 2009 | 10:21 PM

JET LEE

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Originally Posted by BLOWNBLUEZ06

Yes it does. Methanol is acidic. It also evaporates quickly, so the small amount we spray combined with the amounts of air these SC cars move, it doesn't stay in any one place for very long.

Good to know

Aug 16, 2009 | 08:49 PM

TRIZ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by D C

Anyone else besides Fran and the fellas at Race Proven Motorsports done a 3 nozzle meth setup on their F/I application?

What do you think about it?

I ran it on my S-trim then Si for a couple of years with a MAF tune.
Pre-blower injection added 2 psi peak.
Swithing from S to Si added 1 psi across the power band.
S-trim peak was 12 psi; Si +1 = 13 psi peak; meth +2 = 15 psi peak.
Recently converted over to a Ysi.

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Aug 16, 2009 | 10:54 PM

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Great to hear. I have recently converted to the YSi and am getting this done up as well.
Hope to see some improvements.

Aug 17, 2009 | 07:54 AM

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TRIZ have you got any dyno graphs/IAT logs for with and without the pre SC meth injection???

Cheers

Chris.

Aug 17, 2009 | 06:46 PM

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TRIZ

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Originally Posted by chuntington101

TRIZ have you got any dyno graphs/IAT logs for with and without the pre SC meth injection???

Cheers

Chris.

Chris,
Did the validation work about 2 years ago.
No dyno graphs for sure.
I always log IAT's. I'll look around and see what I have.

Aug 18, 2009 | 12:03 AM

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sizes

TRIZ, what size nozzles did you use on the intake charge and on the blower?

Should the nozzle sizes be the same for the intake portion and a little smaller on the blower?

Aug 18, 2009 | 02:43 PM

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If your using a Alky Control/ECS kit, Julio recomends a #3 or #5 nozzle infront of the blower-you don't want to spray tooo much into it-just enough.

Aug 18, 2009 | 06:11 PM

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TRIZ

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Originally Posted by Arun@ChampionMotors

If your using a Alky Control/ECS kit, Julio recommends a #3 or #5 nozzle in front of the blower-you don't want to spray tooo much into it-just enough.

I used a #3 nozzle in front of the blower.
If you run pure meth try the #5.

Aug 18, 2009 | 09:38 PM

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Very cost effective mod

my crystal ball says this is in my future

Thanks Jim aka Triz for the detailed data....always in pursuit of horsepower maximization

Aug 18, 2009 | 10:36 PM

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TRIZ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NemesisC5

Very cost effective mod

my crystal ball says this is in my future

Thanks Jim aka Triz for the detailed data....always in pursuit of horsepower maximization

Thank you, my Friend!
I appreciate all your help.

Aug 18, 2009 | 10:49 PM

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i also had a great converstaion with julio today about this topic....his take is to start with a m1 nozzle and move up....he thinks that possible impeler damage could occur not from the corosive features of the meth but from the water droplets that happen when the flow from the pump stops...kind of like when your spraying a garder hose and then shutting off the water...always some drops that fall through...these large drops are what could create damage...that why he seems to think the smaller nozzles drip less...also to make sure that we use straight meth when spraying into the impeler...something to do with meth being lighter than water...

Thanks for the great conversation and lesson Julio

Aug 19, 2009 | 01:31 PM

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D C

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I'm glad to see that more of the F/I crowd has done, is doing or is thinking of doing this.

Puts another meaning to the word "sprayin"

Aug 21, 2009 | 03:32 PM

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D C

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Car should be S/D tuned with the YSi and the tripple nozzle soon.
Anyone care to guess what the new numbers would be?

Aug 25, 2009 | 08:04 AM

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chuntington101

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D C are you going to do a with and without the 3rd nozzel dyno pull??

Cheers

Chris.

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