Need a little help
STFT B1 0
LFTT B1 25%
STFT B2 0
LTFT B2 4.6-6.2%
Why the large variance between Bank 1 and Bank 2? Oh, I have also replaced the O2 sensor in Bank 2 (passenger side) but it hasn’t changed a thing.
While the car is running, the scanner displays the following “live data”:
O2S B1 S1 (V) 0.445
STFT B1 S1 (%) 0
O2S B1 S2 (V) 0.445
STFT B1 S2 (%) N/A (rear O2s removed)
O2S B2 S1 (V) 0.21
STFT B2 S1 (%) 0
O2S B2 S2 (V) 0.445
STFT B2 S2 (%) N/A (rear O2s removed)
Again, why the discrepancy between O2 sensor#1 in B1 and B2???
Can anyone point me in the right direction? I feel like banging my head against the wall with all the problems I have been having with this install. Thanks to everyone!
P.S. – Also have HPTuners so I can post data if needed.
Sounds like the misfire is causing your trouble. Fix that and your troubles should disappear. You can swap plugs, wires, exchange coil packs with the passenger side, check your grounds, verify all injectors are plugged in.
Last edited by BLOWNBLUEZ06; Sep 29, 2009 at 06:59 PM.
I chased a problem 1 time for a long time before I finally pulled the plugs out and saw the gap was zero. Guess I wasn't paying close enough attention installing them.
Did you get your O2 sensors crossed during the header install? I've done that, the car runs bad and the fuel trim adjusts the wrong bank. That could be your issue.
Sounds like the misfire is causing your trouble. Fix that and your troubles should disappear. You can swap plugs, wires, exchange coil packs with the passenger side, check your grounds, verify all injectors are plugged in.
If I was better at HPTuners, I'm sure there's a way to set a config file & then scan all the parameters that might be affected to narrow down the problem. Caulk it up to being one frustrating learning experience.
1) swapped sparkplugs, wires & coils from Bank 1 to Bank 2 (measured resistance in each sparkplug wire as well....all ok, each approx 44.5 ohms)
2) checked O2 & injector fuses...they're ok
3) retorqued manifold to 89 in/lbs
4) retorqued headers to 18 ft/lbs
5) checked that all injector connections were fully connected
6) checked vacuum at idle....very steady 17 in/Hg
Scanned her again while running and all problems that were there before ARE STILL PRESENT. Still misfiring on cylinder #1. I looked at the injector harness for Bank 1 when I was checking each injector connection and it looked fine but I will recheck it again due to posts I have read about it rubbing/chaffing and shorting some of the injector wires.
The only other things it can be at this point is:
a) bad injector - I will swap #1 injector this afternoon
b) busted valve....PITA because I have Katech valve covers and believe I have to remove alternator to remove Bank 1 valve cover to check springs/rocker.
In addition, when looking at my scan (those who have HPTuners can go to http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...318#post189318), I think my engine has 2 problems. The misfire issue stated above & also a bad Bank 1 O2 sensor or bad connectors to this sensor. I don't think this would have affected my misfire issue since during warmup I was still in Open Loop but it would lead to problems once warmed up....which I haven't done yet since I haven't let her run long enough due to the misfires/backfires.
One last thing......when I swapped the plugs, Bank 2 plugs all looked fine. Bank 1 cylinder #3 and #7 plugs had soot/carbon buildup BUT I WAS GETTING A P0301 (misfire on #1 cylinder). Plugs from cylinders #1 and #5 looked clean. Does this make sense to anyone?
You said this all started after the blower install? Do you think you had a tuning mishap? Possible ring issues? You can force fuel trims off and open loop with your vcm controls. I would troubleshoot in this mode.
Broken valvespring(s) is sounding very likely as well.
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I am running the NGK TR6 (part # 4177) plugs gapped at .035". It could be tuning....don't really know. I am using a "basetune" supplied by the vendor of the SC kit (A&A).
I just finshed swapping the #1 and #3 injectors & rechecked the injector harness again for binds, pinches, chaffing or pinched wires. Looks ok so I will be trying to run her again & scan.
I am running the NGK TR6 (part # 4177) plugs gapped at .035". It could be tuning....don't really know. I am using a "basetune" supplied by the vendor of the SC kit (A&A).
I just finshed swapping the #1 and #3 injectors & rechecked the injector harness again for binds, pinches, chaffing or pinched wires. Looks ok so I will be trying to run her again & scan.
"User name"....I think you are right with the valve spring. When I first finished the install, I had a problem with the car immediately going to 4000+ rpm every time I started it (you can scan my user name 'padler' for my posts dealing with these issues). It turned out to be a blown "burst panel" in the bottom of my FAST intake but it took a while to find. The FAST intake has been removed & the stock LS-6 intake was put back in its place. I am wondering now if the few startups I did where the engine immediately went to 4000 rpm might have broke a valve spring (or worn rings - yikes!!!).
Here is a link to the new scan with the injector swap
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...712#post189712
Can be compared to the prior scan with injectors still in place & I think it is pretty much the same.
Can someone who is expereinced at reading these please chime in? User name, any more ideas would be appreciated. Thank you.
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do some testing of Bank 1 injection harness.
ANY ADVICE? PLEASE.
Again, here's what I've checked:
1) sparkplug - NGK TR6 gapped to .035"....tried 3 different plugs in #1, all with same misfire.
2) plug wires - tried 3 different wires...measured resistance in each and only showing 44.5 ohms of resistance so wires are ok.
3) coil - swapped coils around twice, check coils with timing light & they're all good.
4) vacuum - steady at 17.5 in-Hg at idle so no air leak.
5) retorqued manifold
6) retorqued headers
7) pulled valve cover on Bank 1 and checked springs and rocker arm - all ok.
8) checked wiring harness for Bank 1 and it is intact - no chaffing, rubbing or splitting.
Again, here's what I've checked:
1) sparkplug - NGK TR6 gapped to .035"....tried 3 different plugs in #1, all with same misfire.
2) plug wires - tried 3 different wires...measured resistance in each and only showing 44.5 ohms of resistance so wires are ok.
3) coil - swapped coils around twice, check coils with timing light & they're all good.
4) vacuum - steady at 17.5 in-Hg at idle so no air leak.
5) retorqued manifold
6) retorqued headers
7) pulled valve cover on Bank 1 and checked springs and rocker arm - all ok.
8) checked wiring harness for Bank 1 and it is intact - no chaffing, rubbing or splitting.
If so I would go back through everything you touched. It's likely with valvetrain or ignition related. Swapping coil packs is another idea. I would also swap pushrods and springs between 2 cylinders and/or get seat pressure checked on a few. You will need stronger valvesprings/pushrods anyway so you could just install those before moving forward. While you are in there check for bent valves/pushrods.
















