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Old Dec 17, 2010 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AIS
The MFG puts fuel filters after the fuel pump for several reasons. Fuel pumps have a million more times of hours and service on them then does a water methanol injection pump which is only turned on generally when in boost.

Theirs a lot more contaminants in the fuel system then you have with a water methanol injection system. Contaminants in the gasoline as its being transported from tank to tank, to metal fuel tanks on the vehicle rusting, to the internal wear of the fuel pumps internal metal gears, etc.

The clearances inside a fuel injector are so exact it wouldn't take much to effect it which is why we have filters in the gas tank and after the pump. All of our water methanol injection system tanks are made from plastic so this eliminates the tank from rusting and causing debris and contaminants. When you start off with a clean tank. The fluid your using from that is pretty damn clean. You could certainly run a patch test on water and methanol and find some stuff under a microscope. But nothing thats not going to clog the system.

We use diaphragm pumps so there's no metal to metal wear internally. The only time I have experienced a nozzle being clogged was due to deposits forming on the tip of the nozzle when using tap water or corrosion. This is why we use nickle plated nozzles and not brass as do some competitors and recommend using distilled water and not tap water.

Hope this helps explain things better. Let me know if you have any other questions or how I can help.

Rodney
Most of the trash in the systems get poured in by the users. Nobody, lets say practically nobody, puts a screen in their funnel that has less than a 90 micron rating.

If the nozzle screen is lets say 100 micron, anything larger than 100 micron will get stuck on the nozzle screen. 100 micron is pretty small. And unless your looking for small debris, you'd never catch it.

Who is to tell where the fluid comes from, how it was handled, who handled it, in a vehicle driven on dirty roads, etc. There is trash in all fluids.. especially in a motor vehicle.

You are correct, trash wont come from the system itself. Unless its teflon tape, paste or something else floating around.



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Old Dec 17, 2010 | 04:38 PM
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Not to hate on other kits but some
companies use crappy nozzles. IMO the devils own nozzles are the best I've ever used/seen. Has an awesome micron filter that filters the fluid before going thur the nozzle jet. Also they are outside mounting meaning impossible to getting sucked through and killing your motor like one forum member experienced cuz he had a silicone hose with an inside mount nozzle. Devils own has adapters that if u have to use a silicone hose for a nozzle (which u shouldn't on any vette) then it makes it ouside mount
and solid too! We all should have a nozzle on each side of the airbridge ( bbk airbridge) as u can easily tap the aluminum airbridge and the nozzles screw right into it. I'll post some pics as I have a decent writeup that I did while installing my kit on my zo6.
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Old Dec 17, 2010 | 04:43 PM
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And I use a 50/50 mix of Distilled water (never use tap water!! Period!) and the yellow bottles of HEET. That stuff is near 100% meth. But once I go through
my first tank
I'll be only using devils own boost juice. I've done the math and it's cheaper than
making my own, plus you can trust it as it's made in a controlled environment
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Old Dec 17, 2010 | 05:02 PM
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What you dont realize is that outside threaded nozzles are prone to getting loose and cuasing boost leaks = big problem especially with MAF based setups. Plastic air bridges are another problem. And getting the hole properly tapped.

Whoever got the nozzle sucked in simply didnt loctite it in place. Same problem with throttle bodies that dont stake the screws. Accufab had some of these.. mfg issue. Stuff happens with performance cars.

I wont comment on using methanol and push-in type air brake lines using nozzles/fittings/tubing made in China, using electrical connectors made in China, etc..

Good luck with your choices.. good luck on using "juice" thats not straight methanol on your machine.. unless it doesnt crank out serious power.. then it doesnt matter
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Old Dec 17, 2010 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Zo6TT
Not to hate on other kits but some
companies use crappy nozzles. IMO the devils own nozzles are the best I've ever used/seen. Has an awesome micron filter that filters the fluid before going thur the nozzle jet. Also they are outside mounting meaning impossible to getting sucked through and killing your motor like one forum member experienced cuz he had a silicone hose with an inside mount nozzle. Devils own has adapters that if u have to use a silicone hose for a nozzle (which u shouldn't on any vette) then it makes it ouside mount
and solid too! We all should have a nozzle on each side of the airbridge ( bbk airbridge) as u can easily tap the aluminum airbridge and the nozzles screw right into it. I'll post some pics as I have a decent writeup that I did while installing my kit on my zo6.
I was just going to mention that very thing. We opted to not use inside mount nozzles as they inheritably bring a certain level or risk with them. Your ultimately relying on the customer to install it correctly and use loctite to insure it doesn''t come loose and go through the engine. With the number of systems we have sold over the years we rather not take that chance and just eliminate that possibility all together. I would hate to have just one person hurt an engine do to an over sight and not use Loctite.

This is why we use an outside mount nozzle as shown below.

Features & Benefits Include:

*Nickel plated body inside
*High quality precision machined
*Integrated o-ring
*7/16" wrench flat for easy installation & removal
*Removable & cleanable 80-micron filter
*Size stamped on each nozzle
*Standard 1/8 -27 NPT threads
*Recessed orifice for improved atomization



As for the nozzles coming loose and causing a boost leak. I haven't seen this and we have gone through literally thousands of nozzles of the past 4 years. This is merely an attempt by another manufacture to make people believe there is an issue with our nozzles. With the nozzle properly installed. Once the hose is connected to the nozzle, its impossible for the nozzles to vibrate loose as the hose connected to it prevents it from unwinding and backing out.

Here's a picture of a highly documented Corvette that once held the record for the quickest pump gas Z06 on radials by Race Proven Motorsports. Shown using our standard nylon hose and push connect fittings, no stainless and no problems. This is just one of literally hundreds of customers running our standard hose and fittings. It is so rare that we have a problem with these fittings push to connect fittings.



For many of our customers who are running windshield washer fluid or 50/50 mix. These are excellent fittings to use. When customers choose to run higher percentages of methanol or pure methanol. We insist they run a stainless hose assembly. Either ours or they may make their own hose.




All of our systems come standard with nylon hose and push connect fittings. For many of our customers they can not offord the stainless steel hose and the nylon hose and push connect fittings are more then suitable for them. The nozzles and nylon hose are made here in the states. The push connect fittings come from Italy. None of these items are from China.

Pictured below is an image of our push to connect fittings which come from Italy. Shown below it is an image of a cheaper plastic push connect fitting that is made in China and has been used in the past by other water methanol injection manufactures. These fittings had a horrible reputation for leaking as they were very cheap just weren't rated for the type of pressure and fluids being used.





Hope this helps clear any issues surrounding the parts we use. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns or how I can help.

Rodney
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