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Old Feb 13, 2011 | 10:14 PM
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Hello all, i have a question for those of you that have already gone through this. I will be running a blower on an LS1. It has a 220/228 .58x cam, long tubes, cat back and worked over factory heads with upgraded springs. I also am building a forged 402 on the side. Is there a head unit that can grow with this car? Can I run something on the factory motor and keep it safe (550rwhp or so), then swap it to the 402, pulley it and get the power up (800rwhp+). Thanks for your input.

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x2 on the ysi from the get go...eventually you will want more power
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x3 for the YSI. And this coming from a Procharger fan.
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Don't forget about the novi 2000 from ECS. Their kit comes standard with this blower for combinations ranging from 500rwhp to 900+rwhp!!! The YSi is a great blower and will get the job done, but its louder than the novi if that concerns you.
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Don't forget about the novi 2000 from ECS. Their kit comes standard with this blower for combinations ranging from 500rwhp to 900+rwhp!!! The YSi is a great blower and will get the job done, but its louder than the novi if that concerns you.
It's a great thing we have options. People can get blowers with or without the whistle.
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Originally Posted by Luv2Fly
Hello all, i have a question for those of you that have already gone through this. I will be running a blower on an LS1. It has a 220/228 .58x cam, long tubes, cat back and worked over factory heads with upgraded springs. I also am building a forged 402 on the side. Is there a head unit that can grow with this car? Can I run something on the factory motor and keep it safe (550rwhp or so), then swap it to the 402, pulley it and get the power up (800rwhp+). Thanks for your input.

Our standard Novi 2000 kit with an eight rib upgrade would be more then enough to keep you satisfied up to the 900+rwhp area. We also include everything necessary with the base kit to handle that kind of power. If you were looking for over 1000rwhp, then we would either recommend the YSI, or the step up to the YSI is the Novi 2500.

For a reference, we have had a 346 C5 run 8.78 with the 2000, and my 402/2000 ran 8.63. With additional mods to put that power to the ground, but the power made is the power made. Going to a bigger head unit would really only be worth it/necessary if you have the drive train to put it down, or run in mile events and again have the car set up for it.

Here is a break down of our kit for you from another thread;

Naturally each individual manufacturer feels their kit is the "best out there", and we are certainly no different. However I ask you to take the time to do some research on the purchase you are about to make. We would be happy to do a part to part break down of the top kits available, what you will find is that we switch more individuals from other kits to our brackets then any other manufacturer, we have manufactured the parts that are on most of the fastest supercharged Corvettes, (including the fastest supercharged Corvette) we offer greater TQ then any other centrifugal design, the most belt wrap of any kit, the easiest belt changes of any kit, and simply make what we feel is by far the highest quality supercharger system on the market today for your vehicle.

The greatest pros to our kit are: 1) a bigger head unit capable of over 1,000 hp, and 8 second qtr mile times. The Novi 2000 in the base kit will flow 1400cfm. No other C5 system has gone faster. None.
We also offer the kit with self contained head units using either the Novi 1500 or 2200.



2) ECS kits have a upgraded belt system. ECS has upgraded steel, double bearing idlers and vs plastic idlers and comes with a fixed idler kit that replaces the weak ps/alt idler. They are already eight rib ready, so if you chose to upgrade down the line, your just changing Balancer-alt-PS-and head unit pullies. The head unit is already spaced correctly, and wouldnt even need to be removed to change the head unit pulley.



3) HD belt tensioner vs a relocated stock tensioner (and the kit comes with a tensioner tool)



4) Our ECS kit comes new radiator cradle which optimally positions the large Intercooler and radiator for more airflow, no other kit on the market has an intercooler as large as the ECS kit. We also make our intercoolers in house, so no China cheapy intercoolers in this kit!



5) 4 in 6061 aluminum ducting from IC to throttle body, with 4 ply silicone hoses with T-bolt clamps.


6) Base Kit comes with a valve cover breather, and a catch can, and everything necessary for a COMPLETE install thats ready for real usage. Most of our customers do not take their cars to the track, but knowing that we have personally been there with our customers for years, lets you know that the kit is made heavy duty, and ready for anything you can throw at it. Some companies have zero personal track time on their own kit, but I can say first hand that we are the ones who would have to answer right then and there if it was not up to heavy usage par.



7)Lifetime, cleanable air filter and a 4 in polished inlet duct.



8) restrictor plate that helps increase low end HP and torque, while keeping the top end safe from over boosting.

9) Track Records: ECS holds pretty much every SC qtr mile record. Fastest SC'd C5 (or C6 for that matter) 8.46 @ 158, Fastest SC's stock bottom LS1: 9.73@143, Fastest Stock Bottom LS6 9.75@143.... not that track records are everything, but they prove the systems work under extreme conditions. The systems have logged thousands and thousands of street miles tho. and as far as I know, we are the only mfg to even attempt doing this with a sc'd C5.





Down side? Cost. Our systems cost more, but you get more. You get the parts that most end up purchasing after the install once they found out why we include it from the start. Plus if your like most people who go SC'd you're going to do a lot of upgrades down the line for more power and reliability. With our kits most of your upgrades are built in. Look around the forums.... very few people put a kit on and never upgrade anything else.

If you want more info feel free to give me a call at the shop. 609-752-0321


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Originally Posted by corvette8189
yes, get the A&A YSI kit
Originally Posted by Milan
x2 on the ysi from the get go...eventually you will want more power
Originally Posted by JustinStrife
x3 for the YSI. And this coming from a Procharger fan.
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve@AandACorvette
Is there a self-contained option for the ysi or any plans for it if not?
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 04:39 PM
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Is there a self-contained option for the ysi or any plans for it if not?
Nothing yet. Last I talked to Vortech, they weren't going to do it. I'll give them a shout right now.
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve@AandACorvette
Nothing yet. Last I talked to Vortech, they weren't going to do it. I'll give them a shout right now.
no worries, just curious!
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 06:53 PM
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None of the "race" head units will ever be made self contained by Paxton or Vortech.
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Old Feb 14, 2011 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
None of the "race" head units will ever be made self contained by Paxton or Vortech.
I wouldn't say they will never have one... Vortech would never have made a self contained unit at all 5 years ago...
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A&A YSi kit with a FD for the win!



No other "STREET DRIVEN" kit has gone faster,

The cars that have gone faster had the following-I mean removed the following:

ABS-removed
Traction Control-removed
Power Steering-removed
Air bags-removed
Air Conditioning-removed
Front and rear brakes-removed-for track only brakes
Transmission-removed for race only 2 speed glide with 5000 stall

Kind of puts those real fast cars in the "RACE CAR" territory, nothing wrong with it unless you driving your car more than just a 1/4 mile at a time.

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Thanks for all the great info everyone. Does either the Ysi or the Novi 2000 get far out of its efficiency range when run at a lower power level? Are both able to accept the range of pulley size needed to run at 550ish and then 800+?
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Originally Posted by Steve@AandACorvette
I wouldn't say they will never have one... Vortech would never have made a self contained unit at all 5 years ago...

True, but that was quoted directly from Paxton/Vortech, and they really prefer to run oil fed as I'm sure you know. Same reason why the 2200 self contained head unit has a ten thousand lower RPM limit then the oil fed version. I personally think the self contained units were just to answer the competition and customer preferences, but not by their choice.

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A&A YSi kit with a FD for the win!
Thats awesome Arun, congrats!! What did you win? which series', or class win?

Originally Posted by Luv2Fly
Thanks for all the great info everyone. Does either the Ysi or the Novi 2000 get far out of its efficiency range when run at a lower power level? Are both able to accept the range of pulley size needed to run at 550ish and then 800+?
Not at all, we install the 2000 on every C5 from stock to an all out build. With the design of our kit, we produce more TQ and mid range power then any other centrifugal on the market today. The YSI or 2500 would be over sized for a stock engine/low boost though. I simple pulley change would be all you needed to go from 550 to 8-900 rwhp.

Our base Novi 2000 kit has propelled the fastest Corvette-stock bottom end LS1 and LS6 into the nines, yet also works great for the guy looking to just break 500rwhp in a bone stock car. We feel we have repeatedly proven to offer the lowest total cost, with the largest returns ET wise with our base kit. Dollar per ET drop, the ECS kit cannot be beat.
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Thats awesome Arun, congrats!! What did you win? which series', or class win?
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Originally Posted by Arun@CCP

ABS-removed
Traction Control-removed
Power Steering-removed
Air bags-removed
Air Conditioning-removed
Front and rear brakes-removed-for track only brakes
Transmission-removed for race only 2 speed glide with 5000 stall

Kind of puts those real fast cars in the "RACE CAR" territory, nothing wrong with it unless you driving your car more than just a 1/4 mile at a time.

WOW-that doesn't leave much left in the car-should be fun in a parking lot with no powersteering.

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ECS Paxton Novi 2000 - best unit out there !
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