Juhatee

I'm in the middle of chosing pistons to my LS1. Is the zero dish stock flat top? I mean those dish sizes +2 or -2, are those compared to stock when flat top piston visits deck height?

Do Wiseco and Diamond pistons come with hone instructions? Or do I have to choose rings separately and figure the honing details that way?

I was planning to use stock rods.. I seem to have smaller amount of pistons to choose from because of the smaller piston pin than aftermarket rods have.

corvette8189

Find your self an engine builder.

5 Liter Eater

>95% of the pistons out there are going to use the 6.125" rod. If you're swapping pistons it would be a good idea to swap rods too. True flat tops are hard to find as most of the forged ones come with valve reliefs which are typically -2 to -3cc's. The stock bore will limit your piston choices even more. Most say a .005" hone is needed to make sure the bore is round. I'm not sure how true that is. The Wiseco catalog calls for a 20-25 degree cross hatch and 400 grit stones.

Juhatee

Thanks, that's the info I'm looking for. I'm looking for -4 cc pistons and I was confused not to see many "0 cc dish" ones out there..

I am not sure about that "round bore" either.. when it comes to LS1. Head bolts pull from the main bearing area and I can not see how the bore would change due to stress from bolts. I quess some people bore and hone these blocks with stress plates and have measured the difference..?

I will hone the block anyway, so I quess I'm going to that .005" size.

kh400

I think all you need to do is break the glaze with a dingleball hone. The forged pistons are built with a std. bore in mind and you are right in that you need extra clearance, but I think it will be there. Check with a feeler guage. Good luck.

briannutter1

There is a variance in 24mm "ish" pin diameters from the factory that make it hard to build a proper line of forged pistons (multiple stroke/c.r.) around them. Enough difference that loose press-fit would be a problem if you install the pistons in the wrong LS engine code connecting rods. The factory rods are good up to a point, but .927 pinned forged H beam aftermarket rods in 6.125 are plentiful, stronger, and pretty inexpensive nowadays. Look for rods with the correct LS beam offset and s.e. width.

BLOWNBLUEZ06

Wiseco and all the ring manufacturers don't have a clue. Forget about all that 20-25 degree stuff. Just get a scotchbrite pad and rub it a little.
You're suggesting to measure the piston to bore clearance with feeler gauges?

briannutter1

Jesus........

Borrow a nice micrometer and someones dial bore gauge. Take your time and do it right so it doesn't use oil, smoke, and piston slap from to much piston to wall clearance. Lot less expensive in the long run.

Juhatee

..why not do it right when you're at it? I'm planning to use my car on street and various track events for many seasons to come. I'm not building a dyno queen or planning to open the bottom end every winter.

I have a good selection of measuring tools on hand and honing the block while it's stripped off any parts isn't very pricey. Now I need to get pistons before I give the instruction to honing shop so the clearance will be what piston manufacturer wants.

BTW, smallest diameters were
#1 top: 99.015 mm
#5 top and middle: 99.015 mm
#6 top: 99.015 mm
#6 bottom: 99.010 mm

and the largest one was
#3 top: 99.035 mm

briannutter1

ok, good mindset. Cleanliness is a big deal for long life. Most shops don't do it, so ask them to spend extra time sanding/polishing the bottom of the cylinder sleeve so they don't have sharp edges. The bores are worn .0013" already, so that would have turned a skirt coated piston to wall from .0035" to .005"... woulda run ok if the rings took a seat, but not the best way to start off. It would have made more cold piston slap that way. Some of the aftermarket pistons are meant for bores between 3.903 and 3.905, so once the pistons are in hand, you can take everything to the shop for them to balance the assembly and hone. Even when it comes back to you, grab a can of brake-kleen and spend maybe 10 minutes a hole (maybe more) for the white papertowels till is comes up clean. That's your job, not the machine shops

Juhatee

The situation with my LS1 now, after I spent some time deburring sharp edges inside the block.

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