C5 Forced Induction/Nitrous C5 Corvette Turbochargers, Superchargers, Centrifugal, Twin Screw & Roots Blowers, Twin Turbo Kits, Intercoolers, Wet & Dry Nitrous Injection, Meth
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

impeller touchdown

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 31, 2013 | 08:19 PM
  #1  
c5mtl's Avatar
c5mtl
Thread Starter
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,869
Likes: 61
From: montreal quebec
Default impeller touchdown

just trying to get thoughts from people...vortech t trim with less than 1500 miles on it...8 inch crank with a 2.95 pulley. bounced off the rev limiter at 6500 last night....is that enough to cook this thing??? or should I be looking at other stuff like lack of oiling??? car had a low oil pressure problem under load load but problem was fixed with installation of restricted pushrods. Any way the loss of oil pressure could cause lack of oil to the supply line for the blower?
thx
Reply
Old May 31, 2013 | 09:18 PM
  #2  
BLOWNBLUEZ06's Avatar
BLOWNBLUEZ06
Tech Contributor
15 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Liked
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 10,924
Likes: 78
From: Forney Texas
Default

You're spinning that blower pretty hard and I imagine bouncing off the rev limiter at that RPM might equate to the equivalent of wheel hop.
Reply
Old May 31, 2013 | 11:24 PM
  #3  
Milan's Avatar
Milan
Safety Car
15 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,797
Likes: 52
From: Boise
Default

You are overspinning that blower by almost 10k RPM at 6500

V2 can take 55k rpm, V3 only 52k as per vortech
Reply
Old May 31, 2013 | 11:25 PM
  #4  
c5mtl's Avatar
c5mtl
Thread Starter
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,869
Likes: 61
From: montreal quebec
Default

Originally Posted by BLOWNBLUEZ06
You're spinning that blower pretty hard and I imagine bouncing off the rev limiter at that RPM might equate to the equivalent of wheel hop.
Wheel hop=bad=$$$

Time to use a pulley that's a little closer to vortech max impeller speed
What a nightmare!! 2nd blower in 2 years!
Reply
Old May 31, 2013 | 11:29 PM
  #5  
BLOWNBLUEZ06's Avatar
BLOWNBLUEZ06
Tech Contributor
15 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Liked
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 10,924
Likes: 78
From: Forney Texas
Default

Sounds like you need a bigger blower.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2013 | 10:12 AM
  #6  
Turbo-Geist's Avatar
Turbo-Geist
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Liked
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 3,002
Likes: 216
From: Houston Texas
2018 Corvette of Year Finalist
2017 C5 of Year Finalist
Default

Is 52,000 rpm the safe efficient max? It sounds like your blower is engine oil fed. The bearing for the impeller rides on a wedge of oil that separates the bearing and bearing race. If you had any oiling issues at full tilt, the loss of oil could have caused enough additional movement/clearance to allow the impeller to touch the housing.

You can either go to a bigger blower, put a larger pulley on to reduce impeller rpm or reduce engine rev limit. I would also possibly look into why you had to install restricted pushrods to increase oil pressure.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2013 | 10:25 AM
  #7  
ajrothm's Avatar
ajrothm
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 9,993
Likes: 1,136
From: League City Tx
Default

Switch to a self contained unit(no oil feed from the engine)... A bigger one...much bigger..
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2013 | 01:03 PM
  #8  
Arun@Dasilvamotorsports's Avatar
Arun@Dasilvamotorsports
Supporting Vendor
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,123
Likes: 3
Default

It's a V1 T, 3.45 stepup.

So 60K at 6500.

This is the third one that I have seen this happen to.

There must of been a bad batch of bearings.

Sucks.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-3

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-4

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

10 Most Common Corvette Problems of the Last 20 Years!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

5 MOST and 5 LEAST Popular Corvette Model Years in History!

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

2027 Corvette Buyer's Guide: Everything You Need to Know!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Jun 1, 2013 | 01:04 PM
  #9  
c5mtl's Avatar
c5mtl
Thread Starter
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,869
Likes: 61
From: montreal quebec
Default

The unit is on its way to vortech....I hope the will be able to identify is the failure was caused by lack of oiling....
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2013 | 01:05 PM
  #10  
c5mtl's Avatar
c5mtl
Thread Starter
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,869
Likes: 61
From: montreal quebec
Default

Originally Posted by Arun@Dasilvamotorsports
It's a V1 T, 3.45 stepup.

So 60K at 6500.

This is the third one that I have seen this happen to.

There must of been a bad batch of bearings.

Sucks.
Think it's a v2
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2013 | 01:07 PM
  #11  
Arun@Dasilvamotorsports's Avatar
Arun@Dasilvamotorsports
Supporting Vendor
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,123
Likes: 3
Default

Originally Posted by c5mtl
The unit is on its way to vortech....I hope the will be able to identify is the failure was caused by lack of oiling....
Did you start the car to see what comes out of the feed line? Restricted pushrods and the oil feed for the blower are not related.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2013 | 04:24 PM
  #12  
c5mtl's Avatar
c5mtl
Thread Starter
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,869
Likes: 61
From: montreal quebec
Default

Originally Posted by Arun@Dasilvamotorsports
Did you start the car to see what comes out of the feed line? Restricted pushrods and the oil feed for the blower are not related.
Yes i did....Plenty of Oil is coming out at idle....i wasn't thinking the pushrods are causing an issue...I was thinking the loss of pressure last year was also causing lack of oil to the blower feed line...starving the bearing at high rpm eventually leading to this failure.
Btw I the blower is a v2 so I'm not sure if the math changes
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2013 | 04:47 PM
  #13  
Arun@Dasilvamotorsports's Avatar
Arun@Dasilvamotorsports
Supporting Vendor
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,123
Likes: 3
Default

Originally Posted by c5mtl
Yes i did....Plenty of Oil is coming out at idle....i wasn't thinking the pushrods are causing an issue...I was thinking the loss of pressure last year was also causing lack of oil to the blower feed line...starving the bearing at high rpm eventually leading to this failure.
Btw I the blower is a v2 so I'm not sure if the math changes
No that wouldn't do it.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To impeller touchdown





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:27 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-1
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-5
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette lineup vs the world.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-24 16:12:42


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Common Corvette Problems of the Last 20 Years!

Slideshow: 10 major Corvette problems from the last 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-14 16:37:05


VIEW MORE
story-8
5 MOST and 5 LEAST Popular Corvette Model Years in History!

Slideshow: 5 most and least popular Corvette model years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-08 13:25:01


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Corvette Buyer's Guide: Everything You Need to Know!

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette buyer's guide

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-17 16:41:08


VIEW MORE