E85 Guys Need Your Help
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Le Mans Master
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E85 Guys Need Your Help
Ok finally a gas station close to my house has E85 so i want to change fuel from 93 so what drop in fuel pumps, what size injectors for over 1000whp you guys running. I have A&A fuel system with stock intank pump.
Can i run my stock pump but add another external pump if so which pump. I have 80's injectors now with a ton of meth.
Thanks Bob
P.S. This was my everyday car but not anymore i want this on kill all the time since i have another vehicle because the last time i tryed E85 my MPG hit the *******, but i done't care if it get 5mpg now since it will be a weekend monster.
Can i run my stock pump but add another external pump if so which pump. I have 80's injectors now with a ton of meth.
Thanks Bob
P.S. This was my everyday car but not anymore i want this on kill all the time since i have another vehicle because the last time i tryed E85 my MPG hit the *******, but i done't care if it get 5mpg now since it will be a weekend monster.
Last edited by helga203; Aug 25, 2013 at 07:43 AM.
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The style of injector you use is important. The problem is that there is a huge gap in true fuel injector sizing. The 1600's and 2000's are CNG injectors and can lock up with E85 use. When that happens, you're SOL. 02402ramair had this very problem on a brand new set of ID2000's and got told to pound sand when he asked about warranty.
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The style of injector you use is important. The problem is that there is a huge gap in true fuel injector sizing. The 1600's and 2000's are CNG injectors and can lock up with E85 use. When that happens, you're SOL. 02402ramair had this very problem on a brand new set of ID2000's and got told to pound sand when he asked about warranty.
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I didn't have much luck either with the 2000's. Mine would swell and then the fueling would be way inconsistent.
ID swear up and down that the 2000 is fine for alcohol but I didn't like them at all. I had success with their 1000's but you will be limited to like 700 whp on E85.
Personally I am waiting for Bosch to make a 2000 for us like their 127, I believe they are working on it.
ID swear up and down that the 2000 is fine for alcohol but I didn't like them at all. I had success with their 1000's but you will be limited to like 700 whp on E85.
Personally I am waiting for Bosch to make a 2000 for us like their 127, I believe they are working on it.
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Le Mans Master
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I didn't have much luck either with the 2000's. Mine would swell and then the fueling would be way inconsistent.
ID swear up and down that the 2000 is fine for alcohol but I didn't like them at all. I had success with their 1000's but you will be limited to like 700 whp on E85.
Personally I am waiting for Bosch to make a 2000 for us like their 127, I believe they are working on it.
ID swear up and down that the 2000 is fine for alcohol but I didn't like them at all. I had success with their 1000's but you will be limited to like 700 whp on E85.
Personally I am waiting for Bosch to make a 2000 for us like their 127, I believe they are working on it.
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I didn't have much luck either with the 2000's. Mine would swell and then the fueling would be way inconsistent.
ID swear up and down that the 2000 is fine for alcohol but I didn't like them at all. I had success with their 1000's but you will be limited to like 700 whp on E85.
Personally I am waiting for Bosch to make a 2000 for us like their 127, I believe they are working on it.
ID swear up and down that the 2000 is fine for alcohol but I didn't like them at all. I had success with their 1000's but you will be limited to like 700 whp on E85.
Personally I am waiting for Bosch to make a 2000 for us like their 127, I believe they are working on it.
Le Mans Master
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From: East Texas
Ok finally a gas station close to my house has E85 so i want to change fuel from 93 so what drop in fuel pumps, what size injectors for over 1000whp you guys running. I have A&A fuel system with stock intank pump.
Can i run my stock pump but add another external pump if so which pump. I have 80's injectors now with a ton of meth.
Thanks Bob
P.S. This was my everyday car but not anymore i want this on kill all the time since i have another vehicle because the last time i tryed E85 my MPG hit the *******, but i done't care if it get 5mpg now since it will be a weekend monster.
Can i run my stock pump but add another external pump if so which pump. I have 80's injectors now with a ton of meth.
Thanks Bob
P.S. This was my everyday car but not anymore i want this on kill all the time since i have another vehicle because the last time i tryed E85 my MPG hit the *******, but i done't care if it get 5mpg now since it will be a weekend monster.
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how about running 2 sets of injectors? expensive approach I know, but I'm looking into it.
so what's a really good injector for E85? anything with pure stainless steel pintle and windings that are alchy tolerant.
the alchy is pretty corrosive stuff too, so updates to the fuel system end to end should be considered.
back to the "dual injectors"
just took the plunge on a haltech ECM. going to start out and run pump gas and have it control the Meth system.
but down the road, I'd like to go E85 too.
good question. I heard the same thing about the ID2000 which I was going to run. it sure helps to do the "homework" before laying out the cash.
so what's a really good injector for E85? anything with pure stainless steel pintle and windings that are alchy tolerant.
the alchy is pretty corrosive stuff too, so updates to the fuel system end to end should be considered.
back to the "dual injectors"
just took the plunge on a haltech ECM. going to start out and run pump gas and have it control the Meth system.
but down the road, I'd like to go E85 too.
good question. I heard the same thing about the ID2000 which I was going to run. it sure helps to do the "homework" before laying out the cash.
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I have 4 -15gph nozzles and the dial pinned on 8, and 2-alky pumps thats how and i'm still over 100% DC. I'm around 30psi at 6700rpm @ 15*
Last edited by helga203; Aug 26, 2013 at 08:00 AM.
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Le Mans Master
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So whats an resonable injector to run e85 around 1200whp. I already have the magnafuel pump 750 4303 sorted out i'm stuck on injectors which ones and will they supply the data to tune????
Last edited by helga203; Aug 26, 2013 at 08:02 AM.
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For those that are wondering why i'm doing this going to e85 is for the simple reson to get more timing. Ok this how it started i was timing my car in 3 gear 6mn. I got my timing up to 17* at 5200rpm and 19* to redline which is 6700rpm for me. With that timing my car is where i would be happy for my setup but when i shift to fourth gear wham detention so i have to back of timing down to i think 11-12ish 5200rpm and 14-15 up top and there is a noticable differnce in the set. Since i already have 4-nozzles and 2-pumps(talk about meth dependent
) of meth my next set is to go E85 to get that timing back which i think it can. I don't want to run fulltime race fuel even though my car is a weekend worrier now and the e85 is right down the street. Thanks for reading.
) of meth my next set is to go E85 to get that timing back which i think it can. I don't want to run fulltime race fuel even though my car is a weekend worrier now and the e85 is right down the street. Thanks for reading.
Le Mans Master
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I am running 96lb low impedance injectors with twin 420L pumps and a custom return style setup. Injectors run about 77% duty cycle making around 970 rwhp. The only thing I would redo is going to a large single fuel pump.
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looking to go to around 8-900 on E85 and need some RELIABLE options for injectors and pump that will live on the stuff
otherwise, I'm sticking with race gas when I turn up the wick which might be better anyway as the E85 is a pain to find in northern VA
any stations around here have it??
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Le Mans Master
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Well guys it seems like the censeus is FIC2000's with Magnafuel 750-4303 pump. You live once in this ***'ed up world. Even though i can't efford it. I get so much enjoyment driving my vett it's worth it to me to hear the wife bitching for the next week. Thanks everyone
You live once in this ***'ed up world. Even though i can't efford it. I get so much enjoyment driving my vett it's worth it to me to hear the wife bitching for the next week. Thanks everyone
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I use ID2000's with E85 and no issues. I also have 9-10 friends that have been using ID2000's on E85 for a few years now with out issues.
Anything can happen, but they I wouldn't shy away from them.
Helga, what in-tank pump are you running with that 4303?
Anything can happen, but they I wouldn't shy away from them.
Helga, what in-tank pump are you running with that 4303?
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I have been running the ID2000's with e-85 for over 2 years now and everything is good so far..............Paul