Egates vs Pneumatic (CO2)
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Egates vs Pneumatic (CO2)
The idea was in my head a while back and I stuck with the parts which came with the Huron kit I scored. It's not finished yet and I am considering oil setups and the like.
Along the way I am revisiting the idea of the TS E-gates which I had first encountered on a MotoIQ video a year ago.
The electronic gates are regarded as being slower to actuate than one with CO2 or compressed air driving the back side of the diaphragm.
The pneumatic gates provide less direct control of gate flow vs the linear command on E-gates.
Both offer strategies for anti-lag and boost control. Both also require feed lines... one with air lines, one with wires and coolant lines.
I conceptually understand the pros/cons from the control perspective, but I do NOT yet know how to correlate these aspects to the driver experience between gears or the power and safety aspect on the turbos and engine.
Seeking input as well as links for self-education.
Edit: though the simplest answer for me may be in first verifying if the taller E-gate actuators would be able to fit where the Huron kit places them. The regular HyperGate is 4.6" tall vs the E-gate 2.1" taller at 6.7"
Along the way I am revisiting the idea of the TS E-gates which I had first encountered on a MotoIQ video a year ago.
The electronic gates are regarded as being slower to actuate than one with CO2 or compressed air driving the back side of the diaphragm.
The pneumatic gates provide less direct control of gate flow vs the linear command on E-gates.
Both offer strategies for anti-lag and boost control. Both also require feed lines... one with air lines, one with wires and coolant lines.
I conceptually understand the pros/cons from the control perspective, but I do NOT yet know how to correlate these aspects to the driver experience between gears or the power and safety aspect on the turbos and engine.
Seeking input as well as links for self-education.
Edit: though the simplest answer for me may be in first verifying if the taller E-gate actuators would be able to fit where the Huron kit places them. The regular HyperGate is 4.6" tall vs the E-gate 2.1" taller at 6.7"
Last edited by Tusc; Aug 4, 2024 at 10:42 PM.
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I've designed a compressor system to run my wastegates and air up my tires as I leave the track. With air on your wastegates, you can keep your gates closed longer and open them more aggressively so that you fully hit your target before opening them quickly. You'll also appreciate them when you flat shift and your boost stays dead on throughout.
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The biggest downside I've seen to E-gates is that they are massive compared to traditional gates. That being said, talking to the people that have used them I've been told they do EXACTLY what you command and have amazing control. This is the first I've heard of them being slow to respond
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If I read between the lines, and Bret and I had texted briefly, it seems the pneumatic does remain preferable for gate control and snapping the gate closed, that monitoring turbo rpm is a a reliable signal interpretation / modulation plan for boost when launching, and that egates have the potential to provide more boost control as a bov for the initial launch.
