From underneath my car, I stared at the back of my intercoolers through the little brake duct hole, wondering what didn't look right. Then it slowly dawned on me that the little brake duct is the only exit for the air blowing, no, drifting through the intercooler. Underneath is the little plastic trim cover that the hose pushes aside a bit.

Is this the way it's supposed to be? How much protection from tire debris does the intercooler need? What can I remove to gain some airflow?

 

you can remove those small stock intercoolers and put on a monster single.. :D :D :D

Give Andy at A&A a call.. :seeya

 

Trust me. Go with the single intercooler. It is much more efficient and it gets you more power! A lot less plumbing. (Hey...I think I just described a mod that actually works!!)

The stock fans can be used too.

This is Andy's intercooler.

 

Another option is the new MMS single intercooler...its not an off the shelf item from another setup, its custom designed to maximize cooling for the ATI. The MMS ATI kit replaces those soft "radiator" type hoses with hard pipes and silicone couplers. This intercooler is huge. The new shroud focuses air into the intercooler and radiator for maximum cooling. This kit does not require any cutting, drilling, moving of radiators or any mods to your car.....its just a bolt on setup using existing mounting points. Give Al a call at MMS....818-342-5693, x13







[Modified by HIGHRPM, 12:47 PM 3/11/2003]

 

I had a chance to check out HIGHRPM's awesome ride last week at MMS. I got a good look at the MMS intercooler installed. It is a top-notch setup. The plumbing is very clean and the BOV is the Vortech Race model. (not the POS heater valve that ATI provides).

Your "King Kong Beast" is definitely a mean machine!!!
:cheers: :cheers:

 

Highrpm--I love to see a guy spend more money on his car than I have, your car is going to be the all time street monster, how you will ever hook it up at the track god knows, but if you do it should set some standards, I can't wait to see the numbers on this baby===congrads :cheers: Bill

 

Thanks Mike, last week Al told me that everything will be back from the powder coating shop this week and then its reassembly and turn the key. its been a long wait, but the entire setup from the fuel system, single intercooler and plumbing and the exhaust had to be engineered from scratch. I was at MMS 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy with the results so far.....hopefully dyno numbers next week. :cheers:

 

The MMS kit looks awsome. Too bad it cost more than a new forged shortblock.

 

I'm wondering if I can cut a hole and a screen between the intercooler and the front tire. The incoming air is only through the brake duct hole in the fascia, so I'm also thinking of removing the plastic around the fog light.

The single intercooler option looks nice, but it's too much for something that infers that I spend much more on other items as well.

 

$3000 for a FMIC. Guess Corvette people always get screwed.

 

Rich ,
glad to hear that your wait is almost over !

I can't wait to see the :crazy: #'s that your Locomotive puts down :)

YEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAA !! Bring on those Turbo Vipers :smash:

:cheers:

Jeff

 

Based on some of the posts it seems that some people have been misinformed or are delusional.

[rant mode ON]
First off an intercooler by itself doesn't cost that kind of money. Second if you don't believe that hard piping all the plumbing isn't worth it and that it isn't cheap, price it out. If you went to a fabricator and had them build you a custom one off that is all hard piped, uses silicon connectors with stainless steel clamps, a racing bypass valve and a custom fabricated fan shroud for less go for it. And if you can produce them and make a profit for a lot less then I'll be the first in line to buy them.

Now take our complete kit price (which by the way is going to be a bit cheaper since we've spent a lot of time trying to reduce our costs to pass it to the consumer)
Here's just a few things that our kit provides that isn't available in the off the shelfers.
Larger 48lb injectors
Custom MMS tuning
High Capacity front mount intercooler with drop in bracketry
2300 CFM cooling fan (400+ CFM over the standard)
Vortech Maxflow bypass valve
Silicon connectors throughout the kit
all stainless steel clamps
Revised Idler pulley design to eliminate bearing failure
Custom Fan shroud and fan support to maximize airflow through intercooler and radiator
Cold air inlet picking up air from inner fender well.
Upgraded PCV valve to reduce intake oil contamination
All hardware designed for larger radiators and larger swaybars WITHOUT modification.

Hey if you already have a P1SC or D1 kit, I'm sorry that it costs what it costs, but a lot of parts are being changed out that aren't needed. I'm sure someguys can rig up a single intercooler setup, but can you do it all hard piped or do you settle for less and buy a bunch of rubber elbows and connectors that swell and contract like a pair of lungs. How bout blowing off those hoses all time? There's a reason for using silicon and stainless even though it's about 10x the cost.

Is there anything else out there that is a simple bolt in/upgrade with the quality of parts?

So are Corvette owners getting screwed? Would you feel better paying $1500 bucks and get low quality parts, to me that is getting screwed. This isn't the Mustang market. Sure if we sold 1000 kits a year we'd be able to get costs down some more, but there probably aren't even that many supercharged C5's out there now!!
[rant mode OFF]

OK I feel better now. So if someone would like to comment and actually have some facts to back up the statements I would be more than happy to engage in some casual debating. :smash:

 

Richard,
We're getting the idler pullies from the anodizer tomorrow (they are pretty trick, pics for everyone soon) All your plumbing came back yesterday. Car will be up on the rack tomorrow for final blower install. I'll put the phone up to it when we fire it up :) I'm scrambling to get it all done, but I want everything to be right the first time out. I don't want to hear all the gripes that original ATI owners went through. I have to get five kits out next week :eek:

 

Since this was obviously directed towrds me, I'll gladly reply.

RANT MODE OFF

I think you kind of misunderstood what I was saying Mike. My gripe is one that you touched on a little bit. We as C5 owners typically pay more for mods due to the fact that there are not very many people specializing in our cars. Take this product for instance, how many other people are making this set up? None that I know of. If you were making thousands of these units, I'm sure your costs would come down significantly and I'm sure our costs would be lower as well. There are way less Corvettes on the road than Mustnags, there are even fewer Corvettes that get modified and blown. Anything custom or specialized will always be more expensive. Look at what you do for instance. How many other tuners are there in CA that do what you do, or as well, not many that I know of, maybe none. You have people from all over CA dropping off their car with you, after all, you did my C5 as well. Hope this helps you understand what I was bit ching about. Nice job on improving the ATI kit. I had pull off my blower last night again because the damn idler pulley bearings went out. :mad

:cheers:

 

"$3000 for a FMIC. Guess Corvette people always get screwed."

I guess that just left a lot open for interpretation. Thanks for explaining a bit more. From the way I read it, it sounded like I was charging extra because it was a Corvette.

I really don't think Vette owners should complain. Having a C5 is a niche vehicle to be proud of. Imagine what some things cost on even lower volume vehicles. I guess it just costs more to have something special. I'd rather pay a few extra bucks to have a tastefully built C5 than be one of the masses that drive one of the common vehicles. I enjoy the C5 market because it isn't the type of vehicle you can run to 7-11 and buy a engine package. That's what drives me in my business. When we got into the LS1's there were only a couple people putting out anything worthwhile, and now that there are a lot of people putting out the more common stuff(heads, cams etc) we've moved on bigger projects to provide a uniqueness.

I hope you can see where I was coming from, it wasn't really an attack on you, but a response to the comments that seem to pop up from time to time.

BTW, I'll have idler pullies available for current ATI owners. I don't have final pricing, but I'll have pics up tomorrow.

 

I will be interested in finding out how those new Idler pulleys work out. :yesnod:

vetterdstr :cheers:

 

I am ready to purchase the new idler pulley too! Mike, can you please post some more details about the idler pulley setup??? :yesnod:

 

Mike,

Just for the record if your upgraded kit was out a year ago and I lived anywhere near California I would have written a check without hesitation and still saved money in the long run. Ati's product has unbelievable potential but obviously they felt they had to enter the corvette market with a price sensitive product instead of going the extra lengths for quality. I can't believe a company with its track record of performance would put out the kit without more attention to detail.

I'm the person who e-mailed you this weekend about the pcv issues and didn't even mention the overheating, tuning and other problems most of us have gone through over the last year. Makes me sick to even think a brand new Vette should go through something like this.

Keep up the good work.

 

I'll try to have pics and pricing on the idler pulley by the end of day.
We have a limited batch available, which are mostly accounted for for our preorders. We will begin taking orders for the pullies once I get it in our system. Once it is in our system it will be added to our website automatically at 12am PST. I would recommend placing an order on these ASAP. The first batch I did by hand, but a larger run will be done on a CNC lathe.

This supercharger kit has been quite an undertaking, I'm pretty confident that once people see what they get it will be the leading system for the C5's.
We have several Vendors with whom we deal with ready to start selling these kits also. So there may be a particular vendor that you've grown accustomed to dealing with that might be selling the kit. We are also accepting new dealers for our supercharging systems.

Now that we've been able to get this kit in production, be on the lookout for our 4.8/5.3/6.0L Trucks/SUVs. So all you C5 owners that have one of those vehicles keep your eyes open for info on that kit.

 

Say you want to do a ATI D1 with the FMIC from the get go , do you still have to purchase the dual intercoolers,etc. that come with the kit OR can you buy just the s/c itself and then buy the FMIC for it, that way you dont have dual ic's and un-needed piping just laying in your garage. :confused: