I've not seen anyone beat these numbers for the Mag. Wow.

 

ok,, I have the non i/c maggie, with headers and 373 gears,,,,I have close to 400 at the wheels...all this from DTE...I know its not the greatest hp figure out there, but it is non i/c and a very mild tune...I know there is 400-410 rwhp there,,,,plus fugure the gears drop a little hp from the dyno....why pay LPE more to get the same.....Let them do the turbo cars they are famous for,,,,,

 

OK Wrusytwrench, now you have my full attention.

I don't know why you feel the need to try to highjack this thread with your praises of another shop, but I will make a deal with you. You can bring your car here anytime that fits your schedule, and we will stop what we are doing, and put your car on the dyno FOR FREE!!!!!

Then I will compare your graph to a non-intercooled Magnuson graph with the same options you have, and show you why people pay a little more to have us install their Magnuson superchargers!!!!

The only thing I ask in return is that I want YOU to post the results on the forum for everyone to see.

If this sounds fair to you, then please contact me and we can make arrangements. If not, then please start your own thread about your shop of choice, and I promise I won't post anything on it

By the way, how do you like your coil covers we sent you?

Ed

 

Wow, this could get interesting. But what if he's just running less timing?

 

Wouldn't that be a tuning issue? If LPE can get more timing in, that would mean they know something that DTE doesn't. Did Phil tune the cars when he was at LPE? Just because you work at McDonalds doesn't mean you know the ingredients in the special sauce! My vote would be LPE. Thier numbers and reputation speakfor themselves.

Jersey

 

Will, it might be a tuning issue that the tuner couldn't figure out. Or it might be that the tuner intentionally left horsepower and timing on the table to make the setup less likely to have issues (i.e., predetonation).

I agree though, I doubt there are many who can do it better than LPE, I just wonder if we'll be able to get a good apples-to-apples comparison.

 

Ed,

Is the reprogramming the same whether it is a self install vs. a Lingenfelter install, or do you guys reprogram for my particular car on the dyno to get the most out of it?

Thanks,
Brad Knoth

 

Hi Brad

When we send a kit out the door, we do supply a copy of a calibration that we have done on a previous car we built here. We do try to match it up as closely as possible to your exact combination, but it's still a calibration that was done for a different car.
When you send your car in to us, we are able to install our test equipment, and do a specific calibration for your exact car on the chassis dyno.

Hope this helps,

Ed

 

Hmmm ... I guess no other shop has cheaper coil overs. Or perhaps LPE is as famous for their coil overs as well as their turbos

 

That is a great offer Ed. I would really like to see the results.

Cheers,

Mark

 

Thanks Mark,

Me too! Nothing against Wrusty, it's just always interesting to see how two similar combinations compare head to head.

One other thing there may be some interest in. Regarding the out the door tuning mentioned above, LPE now offers hand held programmers, and dataloggers! Now we can send our customers a datalogger they plug in to the ALDL connector and make a run, then send it back to us, and we can fine tune the calibration, and send a copy back loaded in a hand held programmer!

The nice thing about that is that you always have a copy of your original cal files as a backup.

Feel free to contact us for more details,

Thanks,
Ed

 

Ed,
Are these programmers and dataloggers listed on the LPE web site?

 

Are plugs and fuel rail covers included in the base price?

 

 

Been 3 days since wrustys been around. I wanna see the results!

 

Lingenfelter stands behind their work. When I had detonation problems, (Mine was the first Magnacharger they did) they paid to ship the car back to their shop to get it fixed.

 

the base package price includes all fluid, gaskets, and labor. We do re-use the factory spark lugs, but if you need a set, that would be extra. The LPE custom coil covers are also extra cost options, and can be seen here:

http://www.lingenfelter.com/lingenfe...47&pf%5Fid=546


The programmers and dataloggers are not listed on the website yet, but if anyone out there has a Lingenfelter car with a calibration problem, let me know and I'll get you hooked up with one. We also sell the programmers with our out the door Magnuson kits.

Hope this helps,
Ed

 

Mmm Hmm. I fully agree. I had similar issues to JoeCoool with my 383 L98 . My car was taken care of at NO COST and shipping on the way back was covered.

 

Do you also change the wheel plugs

 

Whoa....guys,,,lets not get testy here.. I am not a paid employee of DTE....I just wanted to let you know that they do the maggie install for less..plus you get NEW plugs...(had to throw that in)....If Ed remembers, I talked to him about the maggie before I took the plunge...In fact, he is what led me to DTE, as they did it for less(install)....I am not knocking LPE, they do GREAT things with cars...I was just tring to let it be known that DTE is also great....and cheaper ...I really dont care if LPE can get 10 more hpn (or more) out of my car, as I know I already have a mild tune (I want it to live a long life) ...I have already been told there is more hp if I would like a re-tune...so the offer of a free dyno session is not going to sway me..(Nice offer, I might add)....I guess I really dont see what you get for the extra 1000 bucks... OH YEA, ,the coil covers,, I tried to make the stock ones fit, but really did not like the look and the way they mounted. So that left me with ACI or LPE aftermarket pieces, or make my onw.. well the LPE ones seemed a better choice....NOW, for the bad news,, the mounting hardware sucked, the bolts were too short , if you were to tighten the bolts, you would have stripped the threads in the valve covers. I made my own spacers and bought new bolts. the brackets needed trimmed quite a bit as you could see them stick out from the lower edge of the covers. The supplied velcro (after cleaning properly) would not hold after the motor heat got to it...Yes, I did call LPE and tell them about the problems, with the mounting hardware, the brackets and the velcro...just to make them aware. I was not expecting anything in return. In fact, I am going to replace them with custom aluminum cover this winter. (for way less than the price of theirs).....No hard feelings, honest, its just that I feel you should get what you pay for...not over pay for it. Why pay more... I am sure there are LOTS of people who have had work done at many shops, an have great reviews (other than the two we are refering to) ....many paid more, many might have paid less....But even if I had no maggie, I would look at the the price for what you recieve and can see a savings of 1000 bucks is nice.....now lets all be friends......Ed, I was not trying to hijack the thread,,,sorry.....And I must add this was before they offered the intercooled units...I cannot say anything about them...as I dont have one,,, but I priced the non i/c unit install from them an then made my choice of installers. PLease, I am not giving anyone a bad rap here...I too would like to see the differences from shop to shop,, but i can say I am way happy with my present tune, and as much as I want more power, do not see the need for any ...maybe after my new a4 goes in, then we will play harder...