Notices
C5 General General C5 Corvette and C5 Z06 Discussion not covered in Tech

wheel weight thoughts

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 10:54 AM
  #1  
MeekRN's Avatar
MeekRN
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
From: Peoria Arizona
Default wheel weight thoughts

A 25 pound aftermarket wheel can actually take less energy to rotate than a 20 OEM wheel, for example...

Go to a sporting goods store and pick up a 28oz wood baseball bat, and swing it around a few times, now pick up a 35oz wood baseball bat and swing it around a few times. although its just 25% heavier, it feels more like 75 to 100% heavier. But now take that same 35oz wood baseball bat and swing it from the other end... it feels like its about 5 ounces as most of the weight is near the axis...

Now look at the Z06 or C6 OEM wheels that have the fat part of the spokes towards the center, and the spokes thin out as they go away from the wheel, this provides most of the spoke mass near the axis and where the load is greatest, and the thin part of the spokes far away from the axis in effect turning the 5 baseball bats backwards..

Ping became famous doing just the opposite with golf clubs by moving the weight to the perimeter of the clubs so when you miss hit the ball it doesnt rotate as easy and slice the ball.

My examples might be a bit exagerated, the the concept is intact.

I wonder if a wheel balancing machine like at discount tire spins up the tires to balance them at the same rate, maybe you could time it and see if 2 25# tires with different spoke configurations spun up in the same amount of time, then possibly use some common wheel and tire combination as a reference and compile a data base of times for other tire combinations. Possibly GM did it right and gave us the best combination from the factory. MeekRN™

Last edited by MeekRN; Dec 16, 2005 at 10:56 AM.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 11:01 AM
  #2  
rws.1's Avatar
rws.1
Race Director
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,795
Likes: 62
From: Lake Havasu City, AZ
Default

Interesting thought.....
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 11:07 AM
  #3  
screw991le's Avatar
screw991le
Race Director
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 17,786
Likes: 4
From: Redsox, Pats, Celts & Bruins !!! Redsox Nation !!!
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12
Default

I thought tire machine spun the wheels to 70 mph and then took the reading. So the size of the rim would not matter, since the shaft is moving at 70mph.

The rotations per mile would be different, but the speed would be the same, NO?
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 11:19 AM
  #4  
BlueDragon's Avatar
BlueDragon
Drifting
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,484
Likes: 0
From: Morgan Hill Ca.
Default

Once spun up, yes Buda he is talking about the time it takes to spin each one up to that 70 MPH. His hypothises is that if the mass is closer to the center it should take less time than if the mass were located farther out. Makes sense !

Another Buda

If you are running runcraps It don't matter as their weight is so great that I suspect that it will be a wash in the end.

For best results go to a lighter tire. Based on this a pound less would be a significant saving!
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 05:42 PM
  #5  
edensknight's Avatar
edensknight
Race Director
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 11,308
Likes: 1
From: The Beautiful Greater Bay Area California
Default

Well, I be danged. We have some people who really put some thought into their think. Great analogy. And, your simple generalization is quite applicable. In general, the heavier the design, the thicker the outside bulk/hull/barrel, and, the larger the wheel diameter, the more energy needed for polar moment (higher rotational mass). But, this is why wheel manufacturers struggle to design custom wheels that are not only larger in diameter, but, lighter in weight (as much as possible) to reduce the effects of higher rotational mass.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:01 PM
  #6  
CCA Corvette Parts's Avatar
CCA Corvette Parts
Premium Supporting Vendor
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 36,838
Likes: 438
From: Manassas Park VA
St. Jude Donor '07-'08,-'13-'14, '16-'17
Default

Just spoke to my brother who is some sort of mad scientist. He said in theory you would be correct, as rotational mass needs more energy to be propelled the further away from center it gets. Then he went into a whole bunch of mad scientist ramblings about all the other factors that could make it not note worthy. Alls I really got was that the sustained energy to keep it moving, because of the rotational mass, would be less...

In other words, it would take less to spin it up, but more energy to keep it spinning. But in reverse, more energy to get it spinning, but less energy to keep it spinning...

Peace
Willfulone
__________________
..................Click for


Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 10:10 PM
  #7  
00247's Avatar
00247
Pro
15 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 697
Likes: 50
From: Up North Wisconsin
Default

Just add more horsepower and don't worry about it!
Reply
Old Dec 17, 2005 | 12:07 AM
  #8  
GMvert's Avatar
GMvert
Burning Brakes
Supporting Lifetime Gold
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 784
Likes: 0
From: Edmond OK.
Default

It is true, that the moment of inertia depends on how the mass is distributed about the axis. There is a greater moment of inertia if more mass is farther from the axis than if the same mass is distributed closer to the axis . Ahh-umm, WTF As above add more ponies and watch friction make smoke.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Dec 17, 2005 | 12:23 AM
  #9  
NOWUCME's Avatar
NOWUCME
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,442
Likes: 534
From: PNW Cougar Country WA
2021 C6 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
C6 of Year Finalist (stock) 2019
Default

I think this wheel weight thing is of little matter to most of us but have to put .02 in. Don't think anyone has mentioned that in the "weights & measures" it shows that the run flats is one place you can save weight. So if you take them off it probably more than offsets the new weight of most repo's.

Otherwise think about your wheel as another gear. The bigger it gets the less revolutions per minute at the wheel. It's a form of gearing up or down you rpm at the wheel which probably affects your take off and your top speed similar to different rear ends. .02 not to worry

Last edited by NOWUCME; Dec 17, 2005 at 12:26 AM.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To wheel weight thoughts





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:11 PM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE