[Z06] I think I killed the engine
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Burning Brakes
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From: Drivers Seat OK
I think I killed the engine
Just crusin today...at about 30mph. No revving just shiftin slow. Heard something go. Sounded like a bad knocking noise coming out of the engine on the driver's side. I Got it towed home and pulled the plugs out, i thought it might had been a lifter....NO. When i got the #2 plug out it had been hit by something. 
I can only imagine that it is the piston, I have no idea why though. How could it happen at such a low speed under normal acceleration? I will post pic of plug if anyone could give advice. The car is a 2003 Z06 with 47,000 Mi. No hard driving or racing. No Nos or anything. All the car has is bolt-ons and no chip. Never had a single prob and the car is always WELL maintained. Thanks guys. Looks like it could be time for a Stroker!
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I can only imagine that it is the piston, I have no idea why though. How could it happen at such a low speed under normal acceleration? I will post pic of plug if anyone could give advice. The car is a 2003 Z06 with 47,000 Mi. No hard driving or racing. No Nos or anything. All the car has is bolt-ons and no chip. Never had a single prob and the car is always WELL maintained. Thanks guys. Looks like it could be time for a Stroker!F
Last edited by IH8PONYS; Apr 3, 2006 at 12:24 AM.
Melting Slicks
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From: San Jose California
Originally Posted by heavymetals
I have heard of valve spring failure at low speed. 
Sorry your cars broken.
Sorry your cars broken.
I replaced the motor with a new SLP 402. While I wish I could have avoided the whole mess with a replacement of all the valve springs before the motor got toasted, I am absolutely thrilled with the new combination I now have: 481rwhp/489# torque. But the timing of this extra expense really stinks!
Chuck
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From: Maryland
Originally Posted by IH8PONYS
I will post pic of plug if anyone could give advice. The car is a 2003 Z06 with 47,000 Mi. No hard driving or racing. No Nos or anything. All the car has is bolt-ons and no chip.
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I will have to have these springs changed when I get my Z06.
Any body know how common this is? This is like the 4th on the board.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Drivers Seat OK
Originally Posted by Chuck Harmon
The above happened to me while waiting for a light to change. The car had just under 80,000 pampered miles. It was still drivable, but the mechanic later said that the damage was done in the first couple full revolutions of the engine after the spring broke: two holes in the #6 piston and the cylinder wall gouged. The car simply ran rough, no real mechanical noises. Initially I thought it really was a bad sensor, or plugged cat or something. Only while driving on the way to Fremont (Synergy Motorsports, 35 miles away) did the car start to make more serious sounds, like baseball cards in the spokes of a bike wheel. I called a friend for help and he encouraged me to go to Valaya Racing instaead since it was only 2 miles from where I was at the time.
I replaced the motor with a new SLP 402. While I wish I could have avoided the whole mess with a replacement of all the valve springs before the motor got toasted, I am absolutely thrilled with the new combination I now have: 481rwhp/489# torque. But the timing of this extra expense really stinks!
Chuck
I replaced the motor with a new SLP 402. While I wish I could have avoided the whole mess with a replacement of all the valve springs before the motor got toasted, I am absolutely thrilled with the new combination I now have: 481rwhp/489# torque. But the timing of this extra expense really stinks!
Chuck
Thanks Chuck, Ya is definately does Stink!!!
Team Owner
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Sounds like a valve spring... my '01 has 56,xxx hard miles on it and hasn't missed a beat. However stories like this make me want to get a spring swap as insurance. Heck might as well get that cam put in =)
Drifting
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From: Torrance Calif
It was reports like this (there are also a couple that had it happen with their CTS-Vs) that prompted me to replace all the springs in my CTS-V.
I am doing Mr. Vette next.
Comp duals and titanium retainers.
I am doing Mr. Vette next.
Comp duals and titanium retainers.
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Safety Car
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From: Maryland
Originally Posted by Diamond
My 02 quit at an idle. 2 broken springs. I threw them all in the trash. 
As for the '01--it is not the same deal with the '01. I think it has a different spring, but irregardless, I KNOW it has a milder cam and solid valves. For all the oil consumption issues with the '01, you are safer with respect to blowing the motor.
Incidently, I read on hear of one that went at 16,000 mi don't dismiss this as a "high mileage" issue. 16k, 47k, 88k, it's all over the map, which does not bode well at all.
Instructor
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From: Sunnyvale Ca
The '02's seem to have had the problem. Mine did and several other guys here also. There was quite a long thread here about a year ago on the topic. The member did quite a bit of leg work. Perhaps you can still locate it under search. My '02 quit while I was idling at a stop sign. Restarted and blam. One spring broke, tossed the valve through the exhaust and lodged it in the entrance to the pass. side cat! The rest of the trash wound up in the pan. At the time there were 21k miles on it. GM replaced the entire engine no questions asked. It has since become a dedicated track car and the first thing I did was to replace stock valve train with the Crane roller rockers, springs etc.
Drifting
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From: Torrance Calif
You can do it, but it takes air.
There are a few fittings you need to get to "pump up" the cylinders to hold the valves in place.
I ordered all the stuff from Summit, but you can get most of what you need (if not all of it) from any good vendor.
It also helps to have a friend install the keepers while you push on the inside spring (on a dual spring setup).
Just don't drink beer before or during
There are a few fittings you need to get to "pump up" the cylinders to hold the valves in place.
I ordered all the stuff from Summit, but you can get most of what you need (if not all of it) from any good vendor.
It also helps to have a friend install the keepers while you push on the inside spring (on a dual spring setup).
Just don't drink beer before or during
Safety Car
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From: Maryland
Originally Posted by Wolf Dog
The '02's seem to have had the problem. Mine did and several other guys here also. There was quite a long thread here about a year ago on the topic. The member did quite a bit of leg work. Perhaps you can still locate it under search. My '02 quit while I was idling at a stop sign. Restarted and blam. One spring broke, tossed the valve through the exhaust and lodged it in the entrance to the pass. side cat! The rest of the trash wound up in the pan. At the time there were 21k miles on it. GM replaced the entire engine no questions asked. It has since become a dedicated track car and the first thing I did was to replace stock valve train with the Crane roller rockers, springs etc.
Pro
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From: Georgia
Originally Posted by heavymetals
You can do it, but it takes air.
There are a few fittings you need to get to "pump up" the cylinders to hold the valves in place.
I ordered all the stuff from Summit, but you can get most of what you need (if not all of it) from any good vendor.
It also helps to have a friend install the keepers while you push on the inside spring (on a dual spring setup).
Just don't drink beer before or during
There are a few fittings you need to get to "pump up" the cylinders to hold the valves in place.
I ordered all the stuff from Summit, but you can get most of what you need (if not all of it) from any good vendor.
It also helps to have a friend install the keepers while you push on the inside spring (on a dual spring setup).
Just don't drink beer before or during
Thanks!
Vince
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St. Jude Donor '06
ALTHOUGH all of my TUNERS (and some of the best in the bussiness) have told me no reason to change my stock valve springs on my 02 BLown Z with 23,000 miles on the clock, but it is threads just like this own which want me to throw on some PATRIOT dual GOLDS ASAP!! 
THIS decison is very confusing to me!!
THIS decison is very confusing to me!!
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St. Jude Donor '06
Originally Posted by IH8PONYS
Yep Guys, got the Valve cover off....Broken valve spring! I am only hoping that the valve is not bent!
Melting Slicks
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For those with broken valve springs it might help you and others if you called the Chev. Customer Assist. line at 1-800-222-1020 and ask some questions while also stating your problem with the springs. If enough of you did this you might get a "hidden warranty" or even get GM to look closer into the situation as far as a recall.
I called and said I was worried about this problem in the future because I have heard of a lot of valve breakage problems. They said they knew of no one having this problem. Now would be the time to let them know of the problem. They will give you a service request number about the complaint and then it will be on file. If enough of you do this you might get money back at a later date due to a class action suit. This happened to me with my Ford Tempo. It took Ford several years admit to a problem because enough people complained and there was a record of the complaints (service request numbers).
There may not be a lot of broken springs out there now but what about in 3 or 4 years? Help yourself and others-call the number and let us know what they say.
I called and said I was worried about this problem in the future because I have heard of a lot of valve breakage problems. They said they knew of no one having this problem. Now would be the time to let them know of the problem. They will give you a service request number about the complaint and then it will be on file. If enough of you do this you might get money back at a later date due to a class action suit. This happened to me with my Ford Tempo. It took Ford several years admit to a problem because enough people complained and there was a record of the complaints (service request numbers).
There may not be a lot of broken springs out there now but what about in 3 or 4 years? Help yourself and others-call the number and let us know what they say.
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Originally Posted by skeet
For those with broken valve springs it might help you and others if you called the Chev. Customer Assist. line at 1-800-222-1020 and ask some questions while also stating your problem with the springs. If enough of you did this you might get a "hidden warranty" or even get GM to look closer into the situation as far as a recall.
I called and said I was worried about this problem in the future because I have heard of a lot of valve breakage problems. They said they knew of no one having this problem. Now would be the time to let them know of the problem. They will give you a service request number about the complaint and then it will be on file. If enough of you do this you might get money back at a later date due to a class action suit. This happened to me with my Ford Tempo. It took Ford several years admit to a problem because enough people complained and there was a record of the complaints (service request numbers).
There may not be a lot of broken springs out there now but what about in 3 or 4 years? Help yourself and others-call the number and let us know what they say.
I called and said I was worried about this problem in the future because I have heard of a lot of valve breakage problems. They said they knew of no one having this problem. Now would be the time to let them know of the problem. They will give you a service request number about the complaint and then it will be on file. If enough of you do this you might get money back at a later date due to a class action suit. This happened to me with my Ford Tempo. It took Ford several years admit to a problem because enough people complained and there was a record of the complaints (service request numbers).
There may not be a lot of broken springs out there now but what about in 3 or 4 years? Help yourself and others-call the number and let us know what they say.