Hiyas!
I own a '03 Mellinium Yellow Z06 that I bought late last year. I was going to do a Column lock bypass but the Recall beat me to it. I took it to my local, very trusted, dealer for the recall. They let me watch. Simple, less than 1 hour and it was done. The plate was exchanged and the relay in place. All seemed well for the next two or three trips. Then I started to get the dreaded "Pull Key and wait 10 seconds", not every time, just occasionally. I wasn't to worried the car still ran. Last Friday as I started her up I got the code again. Pulled the key and restarted but the code stayed in? Shut it off again and restarted. This time "Service Column lock" came in. I tried to drive it anyway and of course the gas shut off. Obviously the column wasn't locked. A call to the dealer and I was told to pull fuse 13 & 19 and wait 15 seconds then replace them. No luck! The codes came back in and the car wouldn't stay running when I tried to move it. Another call to the dealer and a flat bed was there in less than 2 hours to take her away. What a horrible sight.

Within 2 hours the dealer called and said it was ready. It seemed the relay that is part of the recall had smoked! They replaced it with a new one! They had run a full diagnostic and No other codes were in of any type.

Today, after a week, and 3 trips I started it and the "Pull Key and wait 10 seconds" code came in. I shut it off and restarted.....No Code. I called the dealer and they are concerned. I am to bring it in on Monday. They were calling GM. I decided it was time to call upon the great minds of this forum for help and/or suggestions. The only other electrical anything I have done is the CAGS eliminator.

Gents, Has anyone heard of this problem? Is there any possibility the CAGS and the recall aren't playing nice together? What now? I am thinking about reversing the recall except the lock plate. Is that doable?

Thanks! I am hopeful that I can help the dealer solve this nightmare.

 

Man thats sad to hear of all the trouble and thats exactly why I have not nor will I ever take my 03 in for them to do that (knock on wood ive never had a lock code or message apprear). Its hit or miss that they dont make the problem worse and in your case they have.

Good luck with this!

 

Yet another reason why I don't believe GM really resolved the recall issue and won't do their latest fix.

 

I'm not looking forward to have my recall done, but I have no choice if I want to register my Z in Canada (its imported from the US).

Worse part is that I already have the CL bypass kit installed, and it will probably have to be removed by the dealer.

I'm going to keep it just in case I need it again in the future.

Good luck to you Decon!

 

Ever since GM changed the part number on the Harness K kit used in the recalls on the automatics, they have had harness relay reliability problems.

I got one of the original Harness K kits and installed it a couple of years ago, before GM decided that was the thing to do on the last recall.

I removed the lockplate and installed the harness and have not had any problems.

You could just leave the lock plate removed and install an aftermarket CLB instead of the GM harness. The CLB is just a relay, like the GM harness contains, but for some reason, GM cannot get a reliable supplier.

 

I am aware of the same issue with a C5 Vert 6 speed that had the recall done. A day later it was flat-bedded back to the dealer. I have also avoided having it done until I know that they have it solved.

 

Thanks guys! This is the kind of info I am looking for.

Is there some reason that a different relay need be put in?? Why can't they leave everything the same and simply replace the Plate? Maybe I don't understand where the crux of the problem lies? I thought the motor was too weak to disengage the taper fully, thus the column stayed locked. Not so?

Thanks again,

 

I chose not to do the dealer recall. I try to avoid the dealer at all costs.
I installed a CLB which seems to be the best solution.
I don't hear of anyone having problems after that.
GM just can't get it right it seems.
Good luck with you problem.

 

The relay installed as part of the recall does not exist in the circuit as it comes from the factory. The BCM connects directly to the actuator. The recall removes the lockplate and installs a relay between the actuator and the BCM to simulate the signal from the actuator. The BCM relies on a signal from the actuator to determine if the column is unlocked, and to cut the fuel off if the car is started and the column remains locked. The recall leaves the actuator in the circuit, but other forum members have installed the GM harness and left the actuator disconnected (as is done on aftermarket CLB kits) and the system works just fine.

Actually, you could do what you said. Remove the lockplate, leave the actuator connected, and not install the extra relay. This would work as long as the actuator did not fail. If the actuator fails, and the BCM thinks it is still locked, then the fuel will be cut off when you try to drive it.

I am for doing the recall just to get the dealer to remove the lockplate. Then you can choose if you want to use the GM harness or install an aftermarket by pass relay.

 

Thanks! Great advice. There is NO CHANCE that the CAGS is aggravating the problem...right??

 

I have a 98 coupe standard and I have been getting the "take your key out and wait 10 seconds" randomly. I'm so frustrated because i know if i take it to the dealer its gonna be $$$$$$$$. I am hoping that it is a simple fix so can you corvette genius' tell me any secrets you might have up your sleeve?

Just to let you know I had my car recalled for the locking plate and alsoo I had a special letter after the recall that entitled me to get the steering fixed for free if it keeps locking and so i did both. Do you think I can get this additional problem fixed for free?

While I'm here i'm also wondering what is the cheapest way to solve my left light problem? My left light doesnt go down all the time and so i have to sit there and turn on and off and on and off and on and off until it decides to go down. I just spent about 2000 on my car and really cant afford to take it to the dealer.

Again any magical tricks?

 

I have had my after-market CLB in for 1.5 years and have had no problems. After reading about these kind of problems, I am just going to stick with what I have and forget about GM's fix. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

waddsy,

Since you had the recall done there will be no extra charge. Remember that Pull Key, Wait 10 sec IS part of the Column lock recall. I hate to tell ya this but If you don't get it in and fixed it will soon go into the Service Column Lock as mine did. You won't like it on a Flat Bed.....

Others,

I will keep everyone posted as to how this goes. Tomorrow I am going to drive it to the dealer and have him remove the relay, leave the lockplate out, and return the programing to stock until they and GM can sort this. At least I will be able to drive it. I'm sure my dealer will agree to this in the interim. I fear it's to late to do much else. If I do a CLB and something further goes wrong it WILL be out of my pocket.

 

I guess anything is possible, but the CAGS system should not affect the column lock actuator.
I have the CAGS bypassed on my 04 Z06, and have the GM Harness K installed in my car and have never had any error codes or problems. I installed the Harness K kit (including removing the lockplate) used for the automatics recall a couple of years ago before GM started having problems with the relays in the kits. Ever since GM changed the part number of the kit (and the relay in the kit) they have had problems with premature relay failures. I am not sure why they cannot seem to get it right.

 

TEXHAWK0,

I appreciate all the comments but I can't say how much you have helped me TEXHAWK0. Thanks so much for the time and effort. I sure hope this mess ends soon!!

 

I have read the numerous posts on the dreaded column lock problem. Here’s an interesting scenario that perhaps some of you experts can answer. I am the second owner of my 2002 Z06. The first owner had the November, 2004, bulletin 04006B recall campaign done to my car in March, 2005. Apparently, this only included reprogramming the PCM and verifying that there was adequate lock plate clearance. I don't know if any extra relay harness was installed. Under the new 04006C campaign, the dealers are to remove the column lock plate. My question is will my car get the 04006C campaign to remove the column lock plate? Since the 04006B campaign never really addressed the column lock plate problem, should I keep checking with my GM advisor to see if my vin number shows up in the GMVIS (GM Vehicle Inquiry System)? And if it doesn’t show up on the 04006C recall, how do I go about getting it done?

Randy

 

If you randomly get the pull key wait 10 seconds message don't get in too much of an uproar. It may not mean anything. There is a large over reaction to the column lock problem on this board. I randomly got that message in my 97 which I had for 6 years and never had a column lock problem with the car. The message even showed up one time when I stopped at a traffic light. I have met a lot of C5 owners over the years and have never actually met any that have had the column lock problem. There are a lot of them who have never heard of it except through the recall campaigns.

Bill

 

Do yourself a favor & get the CLB kit (I got mine from, if I recall correctly, a vendor called Thunder Racing).

Best mod, hands down. Only takes about 20 min. to install start to finish, and that's coming from a car repair novice here.

Tell the dealers and GM with their recall notices to shove it up their actuator!

 

What does the aftermarket CLB's (Column Lock Bypass) kits do? Don't they cause their own set of problems?

Randy

 

My friend had a 98. He used to say the same thing as you. I told him to install a CLB kit before he got bit. He had 50,000 miles on it. Then, at 52,000... bammo... column lock. After flatbed and $500 later, it was "fixed". A few days later, I installed a CLB kit for him.