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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 09:35 PM
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Default Projector Retrofit 2-The Sequel

So RadioFlyer and I seem to have both decided to try retrofitting aftermarket projectors into OEM Vette housings at about the same time.
He was the first to get his done and the results were GREAT
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1866915

My parts are just arriving.
The donor OEM housings arrived Monday



and I used a band saw today to slice off the front fluted lens. Pardon all the blue tape, it is to protect the fragile reflective coating



My Valeo projectors arrived today. They were built for HID and came from an Audi



The good news is the projector can be split in two parts at the mount flange separating the reflector part from the lens of the projectors.



Between these halves is the cut off screen



I am a bit concerned.
In the middle of the projector, where the mounts are, the housing is kind of an oval and will require a cut out in the reflector of about 3.5" x 2.5". This will be pretty tight on the 3.5" to fit the projector in the same plane as the original bulb mount without cutting into the existing mounting tabs on the back that holds the OEM reflector assembly to the vette. But won't know more until I start cutting later this weekend.



Thanks to all who offered advice

So the sequel will continue in a day or so


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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 09:39 PM
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Looks like a quality start!
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 09:45 PM
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Very nice start and keep posting the progress
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cool man.

the one thing i'd suggest you do is to spray paint the reflective coating in the housing black.

since you're switching to a projector bulb, you don't need the shiny bits...unless you like it.

i had a choice of black or chrome with my ACAs and i chose black because i think it makes the projectors look more distinctive.

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black:

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cool man.

the one thing i'd suggest you do is to spray paint the reflective coating in the housing black.

since you're switching to a projector bulb, you don't need the shiny bits...unless you like it.

i had a choice of black or chrome with my ACAs and i chose black because i think it makes the projectors look more distinctive.
I agree that it works for yours, but I am not putting a second unit in the high beams like RadioFlyer did........it will just be the reflector and a Toshiba 9011 bulb. So I think if only one side was blacked out it would look odd. But once I have one side assembled and tested, I will take a pic and photoshop the projector side black to see how it looks.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:58 PM
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oh ok. yeah it might look like you were socked in the face if only one side was blackened.
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oh ok. yeah it might look like you were socked in the face if only one side was blackened.

Yup

If I can't make these projectors fit.......... I will feel like that as well
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Those little mounting tabs are not that important, they're just to help you line up the metal plate the 10mm bolt-screws go through. You will most likely have to trim that. I used the tab holes as a guide for what to cut. it ended up like this:


To make sure everything lines up, I would measure, mark and drill your mounting holes First, then use that as a guide to cut out the hole for the projector. To make the aiming as easy as possible, try to make sure the projector mounting plane is parallel to the high beam bulb holder. This was my point of reference and significantly reduce the need for aiming adjustments.

The reflector is rather strong. I think it's chrome plated plastic or somthing similar. The tape is not nessicary to protect it however it will make a perfect place to mark for your mounting holes. I really hate you for having only 4in of back mounting. Also the shape of your reflector will significantly reduce the amount of trimming required.

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Very nice start and keep posting the progress


I hope you can start makeing 100 a week and sell them.
looks good so far.

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That is a great upgrade!
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Those little mounting tabs are not that important, they're just to help you line up the metal plate the 10mm bolt-screws go through. You will most likely have to trim that. I used the tab holes as a guide for what to cut. it ended up like this:


To make sure everything lines up, I would measure, mark and drill your mounting holes First, then use that as a guide to cut out the hole for the projector. To make the aiming as easy as possible, try to make sure the projector mounting plane is parallel to the high beam bulb holder. This was my point of reference and significantly reduce the need for aiming adjustments.

The reflector is rather strong. I think it's chrome plated plastic or something similar. The tape is not necessary to protect it however it will make a perfect place to mark for your mounting holes. I really hate you for having only 4in of back mounting. Also the shape of your reflector will significantly reduce the amount of trimming required.

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I think we are talking about different mounting tabs......I am talking about the two circled below....I need these to remain......right?
What about the post I pointed to ?

I am going to start small with the hole in the reflector and work outwards until the projector back fits through the reflector. Then I can align the back of the projector with the angle plane of the high beams better BEFORE I drill the 4 mount holes. The first one done is ALWAYS the most time consuming.

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I hope you can start makeing 100 a week and sell them.
looks good so far.
I'd be interested in a set if the price was right.
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OK, some pre dinner cutting and fitting. Lesson learned, go easy with the spiral cutter in the Dremel.......see red outlines




Better to cut less and use the Dremel sander more

Also, aligning the new projector on both axis is a problem
but I remembered an old tool I haven't used for years that will be a lot of help



But once aligned, there is no way to hold it in alignment when you flip it over to drill the mount holes
So my plan is to remove all the blue tape on the projector side,
Clean and reassemble the entire projector
Slip the projector into the housing and place bubble wrap inside the cavity and between the projector and the table top to provide pressure on the projector.
Clamp the housing to the table and carefully align both axis with my gage.
Once aligned I will fill the gaps between the housing and projector with High Temp RTV Silicone and let it dry. This should hold it in the proper alignment so I can flip it over and drill the mount holes.

What do you think ? Time to start drinking before dinner
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Looks like a plan Jim
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Originally Posted by jrprich
I think we are talking about different mounting tabs......I am talking about the two circled below....I need these to remain......right?
What about the post I pointed to ?

I am going to start small with the hole in the reflector and work outwards until the projector back fits through the reflector. Then I can align the back of the projector with the angle plane of the high beams better BEFORE I drill the 4 mount holes. The first one done is ALWAYS the most time consuming.

You will not need the little tabs. The only purpose they serve is to line up the bolt holes. (.. bolt holes) Using the dremel sanding attachment will give you far more control than the spiral cutter. Thankfully you're "overshoot: can be filled in with silcone sealent which is flexable enough to allow for adjustment but will keep the seal watertight.
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Good progress so far. Good luck with the rest of the project.
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 11:04 AM
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Looks like a plan Jim
Thanks Mike,

Hope your holiday was peaceful and restful
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So today I dismantled the projector and cleaned the lens. Don't try to clean the lens in the projector lots of razor sharp metal in there and I bleed a bit
Then I reassembled and set the projector inside the OEM headlight reflector, packed bubble pack between it and the table and clamped it all to the table. This trick allows me to keep pressure on the projector inside the reflector and still be able to move it side to side and up and down. This allows matching up the axis with the high beam side.
This takes a lot of patience Once done I filled the gaps with Hi Temp RTV to hold it in the correct axis positions. I will allow this to set overnight as my garage is about 58 degrees today.
Not very pretty...... but it should work




More tomorrow
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