, that has to be the biggest pile I've seen in a while.
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From: Marlton. Increasing performance one speeding ticket at a time! NJ
I've been on the LS1 boards for 3yrs and have been to many GTO only drag events. I can tell you that I have never seen a GTO with only headers run a 12.1 (and without DR's ?). I'd be willing to bet some money to see that one. Tell your friend not to waste his money on a harrop diff. cover. Spend it on drag bags and a pedders set up. Take a look at the LS1 boards under drag racing. Or better yet, check this link & see what it really takes to get a goat into the 11's. My point is that it is not "header only". Your talking at least CAI, custom tune and drag radials. Your friend running the 13.6 WITH cai and catbacks is more realistic. Complete bs is someone who "knows someone who has a GTO" http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106613
We already installed the Happop cover, and he has about half of the Pedders setup. I keep telling him to get the drag bags, but he sinking money into interior and other mods.
Take a look at the link provided above.
Let me quote someone's time in the bolt on only section:
4) woodnutz 12.19@114.11 Kooks LT's, Spintech Catback, LPE CAI
The pile seems to be on your shoe as you've just stepped in it.
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I agree it takes more than CAI, tune, and headers to get into the 11's consistantly. But you threw up cam in your original argument, and if you add the right cam to an LS2, you can make some monster power that even an overweight pig can overcome.
We already installed the Happop cover, and he has about half of the Pedders setup. I keep telling him to get the drag bags, but he sinking money into interior and other mods.
Take a look at the link provided above.
Let me quote someone's time in the bolt on only section:
4) woodnutz 12.19@114.11 Kooks LT's, Spintech Catback, LPE CAI
The pile seems to be on your shoe as you've just stepped in it.
We already installed the Happop cover, and he has about half of the Pedders setup. I keep telling him to get the drag bags, but he sinking money into interior and other mods.
Take a look at the link provided above.
Let me quote someone's time in the bolt on only section:
4) woodnutz 12.19@114.11 Kooks LT's, Spintech Catback, LPE CAI
The pile seems to be on your shoe as you've just stepped in it.
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If he can't get better than 13.6 in an 06 GTO with a CAI and a cat back then he can't drive. My 100% stock (down to the tires) 04 ran between 13.6-13.8 all day long with me doing the driving and I'm no pro!
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Plenty of guys are doing that. I personally know a guy running 12.1 with just pacesetter headers and on street tires. .
completely
Can't be done... can't change the laws of physics
If a GTO owner claims he's in the low 12's with headers only; then he's either lying about
* his track times, or
* his mods, or
* both
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, +catback and CAI definitely equal more than 'just lt's and street tires'. Dude, what's the problem here?
-next you'll be saying... 'oh yeah, and he has a custom tune, and no cats after all, and maybe some 4.11's in the rear'...
Ain't no stock GTO gonna be runnin' 12.1 in the quata without some 1/1000th driver AND some serious go fast goodies. Hell, the best of the z06 (c5) guys are just barely at that mark, and that's with basically the same horsepower and 600lbs less weight.
Here ya go:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1549325
Might wanna review this kinda stuff before going out on a limb for a car that weighs 600lbs. more than the 'thoroughbred'.
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I am going to agree and disagree with EVERYBODY here! I had an 04 LS1 GTO with nothing more than a K+N intake and a generic Superchips tune. No dyno tune, no nothing. I ran it to a best of 13.5 and could run 13.6-13.7 all day long. The problem was simple. I could run those times while doing about an 8th mile burnout... the car simply would not hook up. I wouldn't find it unbelievable that a full intake/exhaust LS2 car would be easily into the 12s. The GTO gains a lot more with headers and a tune than a Vette does as the factory stuff isn't nearly as good. If you take those power parts AND add some suspension and some decent tires I think that you could very easily get one to go low low 12s. Feel free to disagree, but after about 40k miles and lots of WOT in a GTO, it is a complete lack of traction, not lack of power that keeps most of them in the 13s.
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I am going to agree and disagree with EVERYBODY here! I had an 04 LS1 GTO with nothing more than a K+N intake and a generic Superchips tune. No dyno tune, no nothing. I ran it to a best of 13.5 and could run 13.6-13.7 all day long. The problem was simple. I could run those times while doing about an 8th mile burnout... the car simply would not hook up. I wouldn't find it unbelievable that a full intake/exhaust LS2 car would be easily into the 12s. The GTO gains a lot more with headers and a tune than a Vette does as the factory stuff isn't nearly as good. If you take those power parts AND add some suspension and some decent tires I think that you could very easily get one to go low low 12s. Feel free to disagree, but after about 40k miles and lots of WOT in a GTO, it is a complete lack of traction, not lack of power that keeps most of them in the 13s.
Just because you are spinning, it doesn't mean that you would translate all of that into forward movement. If I worked at it hard enough, a powerbrake on my old ladies Camry could get me a nice bark/burn out, but that doesn't mean it's a beast lacking in traction.
I had a friend drag race me in his '04 Cobra, and we were at the 1/8th strip. No matter what he tried, he would either spin real bad on the launch, or it would bog down and not take off well. His problem wasn't traction, as he had drag radials on. He just didn't have the power to move the vehicle efficiently with the gearing he had.
As a side note, he took care of that problem with a pulley change on the supercharger.
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OK... I agree that burnout doesn't necessarily mean that it is going to run a huge number if it hooks up. You only took part of my post into consideration with your comments.
I'm not claiming 10 here... are you disagreeing that a bolt on LS2 GTO can easily make it into the 12s if it hooks up???
I'm not claiming 10 here... are you disagreeing that a bolt on LS2 GTO can easily make it into the 12s if it hooks up???
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OK... I agree that burnout doesn't necessarily mean that it is going to run a huge number if it hooks up. You only took part of my post into consideration with your comments.
I'm not claiming 10 here... are you disagreeing that a bolt on LS2 GTO can easily make it into the 12s if it hooks up???
I'm not claiming 10 here... are you disagreeing that a bolt on LS2 GTO can easily make it into the 12s if it hooks up???
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sold my gto for a 03 zo6
my 06 gto had a m6 cai fast 90 intake magnaflow ex. drag bags 150 shot of nitrous and was running mid 7s in the 1/8 mile.the key is lanch and tires.
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My GTO owner friend personally knows him, and seen his track tickets from Atco raceway. I'll get his screen name over at LS1GTO and if you really want to follow up, you can check out his posts. He also has his timeslips posted, with other LS1GTO witnesses.
Doubt me all you want, I really don't care. I'm just repeating the information that's available on the other website that I've seen.
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Yep, stock for stock the Vette should come out ahead. But with a few mods, the GTO can give a Vette owner a real surprise.
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You can never believe what people tell you they have or do not have on their cars. Go run it and have some fun.
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I am going to agree and disagree with EVERYBODY here! I had an 04 LS1 GTO with nothing more than a K+N intake and a generic Superchips tune. No dyno tune, no nothing. I ran it to a best of 13.5 and could run 13.6-13.7 all day long. The problem was simple. I could run those times while doing about an 8th mile burnout... the car simply would not hook up. I wouldn't find it unbelievable that a full intake/exhaust LS2 car would be easily into the 12s. The GTO gains a lot more with headers and a tune than a Vette does as the factory stuff isn't nearly as good. If you take those power parts AND add some suspension and some decent tires I think that you could very easily get one to go low low 12s. Feel free to disagree, but after about 40k miles and lots of WOT in a GTO, it is a complete lack of traction, not lack of power that keeps most of them in the 13s.
Peace bros.,
Les
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