Speeding ticket in a different state - any comments ?
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Burning Brakes
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From: Portland/Hillsboro OR
Speeding ticket in a different state - any comments ?
So I moved to Portland, Oregon from AZ, but haven't yet changed my drivers license. I bought my vette from Washington (still has WA plates), and a week later get a ticket. I am going to court on Wednesday and I am not sure I should fight the ticket (84 on a 55 zone). Now if I pay off the ticket and THEN get a new OR license, will the points go on my new license ? Oregon does not have a points system so I was wondering. Should I wait till Oregon DMV sends the ticket info to AZ so the points go on my AZ license and then get a new OR license ? How long should the wait be and how do I know if they reported the ticket to AZ.
Also, if I go to the court, will they cite me for not getting an OR license after moving here ?
Thanks. Any suggestions/comments are appreciated. Can a lawyer make a difference here ?
Also, if I go to the court, will they cite me for not getting an OR license after moving here ?
Thanks. Any suggestions/comments are appreciated. Can a lawyer make a difference here ?
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Burning Brakes
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From: Portland/Hillsboro OR
Well in AZ, the freeways are all 65-75 speed limit. Even the freeway here, the usual traffic flow is 70mph (55 is ridiculous for that freeway). Anyway, I am not complaining. Obviuously I was speeding. I just entered the freeway and decided to accelerate (just bought the vette and needed some action). But within seconds, I see the cop getting into his car and I am like DANG ....
Anyway, suggestions please ... I am not complaining about the ticket
Just need to know whats best given the situation.
Anyway, suggestions please ... I am not complaining about the ticket
Just need to know whats best given the situation.
Pro
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From: Flower Mound Texas
Speeding in Another State
I don't know about Oregon, but mess with Texas like that and they'll throw away the key. Here the man with the biggest guns wins. No brag, just fact. The problem is finding a reasonably priced attorney who knows what he's doing - or knows someone who can - up North there in Yankee land - Good luck.....
Racer
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Look up the AZ dmv. I thought I read that tickets/points in AZ stays in AZ and vice versa from other states. So probably a good idea to take care of the tickets and then get the OR license.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Portland/Hillsboro OR
Now I am also eligible for a traffic school if I were to get a speeding ticket in AZ. Should I pay it off here and then go to AZ and try to take the traffic school to get rid of the ticket. Or does it not work that way ?
Race Director
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It's called reciprocity. Do the states cooperate with each other reporting and enforcing these things? That's what you need to find out. In the old days, a ticket in one state would never hit your driving record in another.
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Racer
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Was all you were cited for was speeding? then register the car in OR no sales tax, turn in your AZ license and get an OR license (no points) go to court - say just moved here converted reg and license over your honor and learning to drive again in civilization, might get a resonable judge, worst case you'll pay the fine and be legal in OR....
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If this was not the case, every time someone was arrested for a DUI, they could simply move to another state and start fresh. Another example, if you were suspended in one state and move to another state, your driving privilege could also be considered suspended until you satisfy the requirements of the state you're suspended in.
Best bet would be to read the applicable motor vehicle laws in OR and AZ. If you're unwilling to do the research, pay the money for an attorney.
Here is the AZ motor vehicle code...read Chapter 6, Article 3, Drivers License Compact (towards the bottom) as it applies to reciprocity...
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/Arizona...s.asp?Title=28
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatD...28&DocType=ARS
Last edited by hotwheels57; Jan 28, 2008 at 02:29 PM.
Pro
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From: Sandy Eggo, California
I'm not up on Oregon or Arizona laws, but here in California, if you don't pay your traffic fine or appear in court, the traffic court will issue a misdeamenor bench warrant for your arrest. I assume other states do the same. California will not extradite (arrest) persons for out-of-state traffic warrants. Way too costly and not worth all the trouble. We simply tell the driver that they have a pending warrant from another state and they need to take care of it when they get a chance. If you never plan to visit Arizona again, then I wouldn't even worry about it. If you don't take care of the fine and you do plan to return to the State of Arizona, then be sure to take your toothbrush with you.
Drifting
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If OR allows traffic school, I would change over the license prior to the court date, then go in there and request traffic school. No points..
If OR doesn't have traffic school, I'd mail in the fine on the AZ license and then switch it over to an OR license just prior to the court date. If there is reciprocity between the two, the conviction could be lost in the shuffle. You would have nothing to lose.
I doubt getting a lawyer would be worth it, 84 in a 55 is hard to beat barring a procedural error on the LEO.
Good luck...
And by the way, it's refreshing to read one of these "I got a ticket" threads that doesn't automatically blame the stupid LEO, the BS laws, etc. I've always owned up when I've been caught... thought I was alone...
Melting Slicks
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From: West Palm Beach Florida
If you have AZ licence, the points will go to AZ to be put on your record. If you go to traffic school, no points will go on AZ record.
Traffic school can be done in Or. You would be best to go to traffic school in OR.
The judge can't take your driving privliges away on your AZ licence, because he doesn't have jurisdiction.
They can & will notify AZ if you don't go to the school.
If you just pay the ticket, then Arizona will be notified that the ticket has been cleared thru there court. Done finni, but points will go on AZ.
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Traffic school can be done in Or. You would be best to go to traffic school in OR.
The judge can't take your driving privliges away on your AZ licence, because he doesn't have jurisdiction.
They can & will notify AZ if you don't go to the school.
If you just pay the ticket, then Arizona will be notified that the ticket has been cleared thru there court. Done finni, but points will go on AZ.
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Drifting
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I'm not up on Oregon or Arizona laws, but here in California, if you don't pay your traffic fine or appear in court, the traffic court will issue a misdeamenor bench warrant for your arrest. I assume other states do the same. California will not extradite (arrest) persons for out-of-state traffic warrants. Way too costly and not worth all the trouble. We simply tell the driver that they have a pending warrant from another state and they need to take care of it when they get a chance. If you never plan to visit Arizona again, then I wouldn't even worry about it. If you don't take care of the fine and you do plan to return to the State of Arizona, then be sure to take your toothbrush with you.
If he blows it off, the warrant will be in OR, under his name (state of the license irrelevant) and he will be picked up eventually.
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Burning Brakes
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I am not so worried about the cost of the ticket. I want to see if I can get a clean record. I don't want to start in a new state with a speeding violation. Especially when I just bought my vette (I hope you understand my emotions here 
). I was thinking of asking a lawyer if we can use some loopholes to make sure the ticket does not go on my records. I am going to call one in a little I think, I hope its not too expensive.
I have my court day on Wednesday an 6pm. Lets see if I can get some info before that.
). I was thinking of asking a lawyer if we can use some loopholes to make sure the ticket does not go on my records. I am going to call one in a little I think, I hope its not too expensive.I have my court day on Wednesday an 6pm. Lets see if I can get some info before that.
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Burning Brakes
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Oh, I am definitely paying the ticket. thats not the issue here. I just hope that I start clean in OR. Even if it means travelling to AZ to take the school.
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AZ would flag his AZ operators license records in the event he should return to AZ.
His AZ operators license could also be deemed suspended under the reciprocity act. He won't be arrested in AZ on the OR misdemeanor warrant, but if his AZ operators license is suspended under reciprocity, he could be arrested by AZ law enforcement for Operating a Motor Vehicle while Suspended, Cancelled or Revoked, in violation of ARS 28-473. Trust me on this.
You should be able to complete an approved coarse of Drivers Education in OR to clear your AZ operators license records.
The OR DMV/MVD will submit it's records to AZ MVD upon successful completion of the coarse.
If in doubt, check with the DMV/MVD departments of both states.
Read Chapter 8, Article 7 regarding Defensive Driving School...
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/Arizona...s.asp?Title=28
Last edited by hotwheels57; Jan 28, 2008 at 02:47 PM.
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Burning Brakes
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OR would notify the state that issued his operators license (AZ) that he "blew it off" and is suspended and/or an OR misdemeanor warrant for Failure to Appear (or Failure to Obey a Lawful Court Order) has been issued.
AZ would flag his AZ operators license records in the event he should return to AZ.
His AZ operators license could also be deemed suspended under the reciprocity act. He won't be arrested in AZ on the OR misdemeanor warrant, but if his AZ operators license is suspended under reciprocity, he could be arrested by AZ law enforcement for Operating a Motor Vehicle while Suspended, Cancelled or Revoked, in violation of ARS 28-473. Trust me on this, I've done it hundreds of times.
You should be able to complete an approved coarse of Drivers Education in OR to clear your AZ operators license records.
The OR DMV/MVD will submit it's records to AZ upon successful completion to AZ.
If in doubt, check with the DMV/MVD departments of both states.
AZ would flag his AZ operators license records in the event he should return to AZ.
His AZ operators license could also be deemed suspended under the reciprocity act. He won't be arrested in AZ on the OR misdemeanor warrant, but if his AZ operators license is suspended under reciprocity, he could be arrested by AZ law enforcement for Operating a Motor Vehicle while Suspended, Cancelled or Revoked, in violation of ARS 28-473. Trust me on this, I've done it hundreds of times.
You should be able to complete an approved coarse of Drivers Education in OR to clear your AZ operators license records.
The OR DMV/MVD will submit it's records to AZ upon successful completion to AZ.
If in doubt, check with the DMV/MVD departments of both states.
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From: Not on either liberal coast.
Notify the OR court that you were cited into (read the citation for court ID information) that you would like to attend an approved OR Defensive Driving Coarse in lieu of points on your AZ operators license.
The violation occurred in OR where you now reside, so that's where you'll probably want to attend the coarse, right?
The court has to be made aware of that request before your court date.
As I said and provided you links to read, once you complete the approved coarse, OR will notify AZ and no points will be assessed to your AZ operators license.
Regarding obtaining an OR license...in AZ, there is no grace period to obtain either an AZ operators license or registration once you are an AZ resident (have a home/job).
OR might have the same requirements, but you'd have to read the OR motor vehicle code to determine their residency requirements.
Last edited by hotwheels57; Jan 28, 2008 at 03:07 PM.
Drifting
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In my second post I thought I was advising against just blowing it off like someone else suggested. It must not have read as I intended.
As in my first post, I applaud you responsibility in this matter.
I did some reading and it doesn't appear that Oregon has traffic school due to the "no points" aspect of there licenses. According to the Oregon DMV, other than serious things like DUI, reckless, etc... you need 20 or more traffic convictions in five years be deemed a habitual offender and thus have your license suspended.
Try reading this, it should help guide you..
http://egov.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/driv...ns.shtml#habit
Good luck..