[Z06] high-end oriented DD cam?
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high-end oriented DD cam?
I'm looking for a high-end oriented stealth cam. Do you guys have any suggestions for me? My car currently has Trex cam. I bought my car with it and I can't freaking stand it... I really want something with stock drivabilty and stock idle. Not a big fan of lope at all.
My car is actually a RX-7 with LS6 engine. Since the car has same engine as you guys, I thought I would come here for some help. The car is really light at 2700~2800lbs and has 4.10 rear, so I don't care about low-end torque... I actually don't really want low-end torque since it would just mean roasting the tires for me. The car also has longtubes and 3" duals with cats into 4" single exhaust.
I was looking around and it looks like MTI stealth II seems like the best option. But I'm definitely wide open for suggestions!
Thanks in advance!
My car is actually a RX-7 with LS6 engine. Since the car has same engine as you guys, I thought I would come here for some help. The car is really light at 2700~2800lbs and has 4.10 rear, so I don't care about low-end torque... I actually don't really want low-end torque since it would just mean roasting the tires for me. The car also has longtubes and 3" duals with cats into 4" single exhaust.
I was looking around and it looks like MTI stealth II seems like the best option. But I'm definitely wide open for suggestions!
Thanks in advance!
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My buddy is running the 228R cam. Many people are making 410-420rwhp with full boltons, stock heads/intake. The car can cruise comfortably at 1300-1400 RPMs with no cam surge and most people have no idea the car is cammed by the sounds of it. This is the cam I will most likely go with...
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My buddy is running the 228R cam. Many people are making 410-420rwhp with full boltons, stock heads/intake. The car can cruise comfortably at 1300-1400 RPMs with no cam surge and most people have no idea the car is cammed by the sounds of it. This is the cam I will most likely go with...
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He wants something that's stealthy, idles like stock, and doesn't lope. The MS4 doesn't fit any of these requirements. It will pull like crazy on the top end being that it's more of a high-rpm performer. I would say something in the 224-228 range.
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Yes, that's the cam. If you're looking for something with more high end, you're going to sacrifice driveability down-low, and it's going to lope. It's not going to get any better than that if you want something that drives like stock.
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But lots of power on the high end? Unlikely.
All cams are a compromise. The trick is to pick where you want to compromise.
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Thanks for all the help so far. The most important things for me are stock like idle and drivability. I would be happy with just about 400whp. Of course, more power is better but I don't care about it as much.
224-228 with 116 lsa or higher seems like a good choice for me. How high should the lift be? Just about .6 or so? Also, would zero advance or even 2 degrees of retard work better for me since I want the power curve shifted to the right? Does the advance/retard affect drivability?
224-228 with 116 lsa or higher seems like a good choice for me. How high should the lift be? Just about .6 or so? Also, would zero advance or even 2 degrees of retard work better for me since I want the power curve shifted to the right? Does the advance/retard affect drivability?
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I would look at the Advanced Dyno cams, the ADS4 cam would be perfect for what you are looking for. It makes excelent power and does not have a very noticable lope.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1907354
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1907354
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LPE designed thier GT-11 cam specifically for this purpose; to have a decent performance gain with stock-like drivability. My car with bolt-ons and this cam is making 423whp. Here's a link to an idle vid of this cam in my car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M-BRVvG8xs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M-BRVvG8xs
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I'm certainly considering ADS4 cam. I have PM'd them about the specs and it seems to be a bit larger than what I want. It does sound like an excellent cam, though. 
ctusser, what kind of bolt-ons do you have?
gasboy, stock ls6 cam would be too small although it does meet my requirements. I feel that I can still meet my requirements while going bigger than LS6 cam to get more power out of my car.
ctusser, what kind of bolt-ons do you have?
gasboy, stock ls6 cam would be too small although it does meet my requirements. I feel that I can still meet my requirements while going bigger than LS6 cam to get more power out of my car.
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You might also want to consider a C6 Z06 cam - ~207-230 and idles like glass.
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I'm looking for a high-end oriented stealth cam.
The car is really light at 2700~2800lbs and has 4.10 rear, so I don't care about low-end torque... I actually don't really want low-end torque since it would just mean roasting the tires for me. The car also has longtubes and 3" duals with cats into 4" single exhaust.
The car is really light at 2700~2800lbs and has 4.10 rear, so I don't care about low-end torque... I actually don't really want low-end torque since it would just mean roasting the tires for me. The car also has longtubes and 3" duals with cats into 4" single exhaust.
You cannot have a high end "stealth" cam. You can have a high end cam that will idle and drive like stock.
Look at the MS3, it is less agressive than the MS4 and anyone that says it cannot be DD is just wrong. There are probably over 200 people that DD this cam on LS1 tech. Get a competent tuner and it will idle and drive like stock, guaranteed.
A 228 cam is not high end oriented and will not help your torque problem.
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Headers, UD Pulley, Match ported LS6 intake manifold & ported Throttle body, Ported LS6 heads, Blackwing air intake.
The GT-11 specs are 215/231 .631"/.644" 118 CL when used with 1.7 ratio rockers.
This cam produces a wide powerband and pulls hard only up to around 6500, which may not be what you're looking for; but the idle and driveability are perfect.
The GT-11 specs are 215/231 .631"/.644" 118 CL when used with 1.7 ratio rockers.
This cam produces a wide powerband and pulls hard only up to around 6500, which may not be what you're looking for; but the idle and driveability are perfect.
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Thanks for all the help. I've been doing research on LS1Tech but everyone over there seems to want cams with low-end tq due to weight of their cars, so I figured I might have better luck here since Z06's are a lot lighter than F-bodies.
Anyway, I've narrowed it down to ADS4 and custom grind of 220/226 .605/.600" 116LSA +1 advance. ADS4 is in high 220 intake side and low 230 exhaust side(can't post specific specs since they don't want others copying their spec). I'm probably going to have them grind me a 116lsa +1 version if I go with that cam.
Anyway, I've narrowed it down to ADS4 and custom grind of 220/226 .605/.600" 116LSA +1 advance. ADS4 is in high 220 intake side and low 230 exhaust side(can't post specific specs since they don't want others copying their spec). I'm probably going to have them grind me a 116lsa +1 version if I go with that cam.
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Any thoughts? I'm also throwing in custom 224/228 .609/.598 116lsa +0 in the mix. I'm debating between these three cams... Looks like 224/228 will be pretty good on power and will pass emissions comfortably with -6 degrees of overlap.
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See my post...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1882753
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