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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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Im in need of a touch up tune on the dyno...for the most part Im very happy with my tune but need only minor adjustments, I have the HPtuners suite but would need your AFR hookup because although I do have the LC1/XD16 combo...I dont have the Hptuners pro so I cant log the afr.
So anyway Im not looking for a full tune because it pretty much rocks.
I do not want my tune locked out and I will look at the tune to see what was changed so if you are not that experienced and only change some stupid stuff and NOT give me my moneys worth...it will be noted and publicized. Love the internet! I also need a textrella twin disc clutch and I need it installed.
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PM me with your best price.

Hope I have not violated any forum rules by requesting this.
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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 06:04 PM
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Well I will say I think it is wrong to say you are going to publicly out someone if they change what you think is right. Im not certain, but im guessing that most tuners that do it for a living know what they are doing. The way you worded your request probably turned most good tuners away
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First call John Page at 21st Century (972 417 7177).

He can do all of the work - charges are reasonable.

Most important - the quality cannot be beaten.
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First call John Page at 21st Century (972 417 7177).

He can do all of the work - charges are reasonable.

Most important - the quality cannot be beaten.


But don't flame him if you don't like it. Sounds like you are very particular....
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I would suggest calling John Page at 21st. He is a great guy and does great work. There are others in DFW, such as LG, QM, RPM, etc. that can also do "custom" work depending on location. Check out the SW section and stickys for referals also.
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But don't flame him if you don't like it. Sounds like you are very particular....
No I dont want any of them to feel as if I am so picky that I will blast them because they didnt do it my way. Im not a tuner but have learned by reading so I wont even profess to be a pro. I have read of multiple horror stories about tuners who basically did NOTHING, made changes that did not help and basically should NOT be tuning and thats the place I dont want to be. Isnt that part of what we, as a community of Vette owners should be using the forums for, to warn others of shoddy work? A good tuner has NOTHING to worry about at all...Im seeking honesty meaning they wont go in and change 1 or 2 things and say its the best they can do and gimmie your money. A good tuner that knows his stuff will bang it away and it will come out right. I will be the first to post up my positive experiences as well and do my best to shoot business his way.
My tune is pretty good but could be better 3 areas so honestly they cant really screw it up but I do not want to pay for a full tune that I dont need and I keep running across this "full tune" scenario. My car idles perfect, hauls *** and gets decent gas mileage....my long term fuel trims are a little off in a few instances and I have a small amount of knock retard in one area....plus I just want reassurance that Im pretty close.....I will pay for that.
Tuners...sorry wasnt trying to be crappy...I would however like to get a fair price for good service if you want the biz. Im a business owner myself and I rely 100% on word of mouth...removed all of my phone book advertising as well as flyers so I know exactly how important it is to do people right.....I did not mean to come off as threatning.
I so WANT to use 21st but they turned me down because STS is their competition. They have a great rep....wish they would work with me.

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I think 21st Century is the place.
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Originally Posted by jmoody66
No I dont want any of them to feel as if I am so picky that I will blast them because they didnt do it my way. Im not a tuner but have learned by reading so I wont even profess to be a pro. I have read of multiple horror stories about tuners who basically did NOTHING, made changes that did not help and basically should NOT be tuning and thats the place I dont want to be. Isnt that part of what we, as a community of Vette owners should be using the forums for, to warn others of shoddy work? A good tuner has NOTHING to worry about at all...Im seeking honesty meaning they wont go in and change 1 or 2 things and say its the best they can do and gimmie your money. A good tuner that knows his stuff will bang it away and it will come out right. I will be the first to post up my positive experiences as well and do my best to shoot business his way.
My tune is pretty good but could be better 3 areas so honestly they cant really screw it up but I do not want to pay for a full tune that I dont need and I keep running across this "full tune" scenario. My car idles perfect, hauls *** and gets decent gas mileage....my long term fuel trims are a little off in a few instances and I have a small amount of knock retard in one area....plus I just want reassurance that Im pretty close.....I will pay for that.
Tuners...sorry wasnt trying to be crappy...I would however like to get a fair price for good service if you want the biz. Im a business owner myself and I rely 100% on word of mouth...removed all of my phone book advertising as well as flyers so I know exactly how important it is to do people right.....I did not mean to come off as threatning.
I so WANT to use 21st but they turned me down because STS is their competition. They have a great rep....wish they would work with me.
Id try calling quality motorsports....ive heard good things about them and I believe they use HPT so that might work in your favor vs someone who uses LS1 Edit
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If 21st turned you down, I would suggest LG or Quality Motorsports in Lewisville. Give Louis or Patrick a call.
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If 21st turned you down, I would suggest LG or Quality Motorsports in Lewisville. Give Louis or Patrick a call.
I would rather all the quality shops do their math, give me their best numbers, including their phone number and earn a lifetime customer. I stay loyal and considering I am looking into getting a C6 Z06 and turbocharging it as well theres more long term money to be earned than just shooting for max profit on one short term deal. Im looking for competition to give me a better price which in turn, if the job is done right, gets my recurring revenue. Biz is Biz and recurring rev is king over short term anyday of the week.....any GOOD businessman will recognize the method and play a smart game....the short sighted ones wont.

BTW...Im looking to get this done either this week or next week...my money is ready, no excuses, no tire kicking, no BS...I just need my price

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Originally Posted by jmoody66
I would rather all the quality shops do their math, give me their best numbers, including their phone number and earn a lifetime customer. I stay loyal and considering I am looking into getting a C6 Z06 and turbocharging it as well theres more long term money to be earned than just shooting for max profit on one short term deal. Im looking for competition to give me a better price which in turn, if the job is done right, gets my recurring revenue. Biz is Biz and recurring rev is king over short term anyday of the week.....any GOOD businessman will recognize the method and play a smart game....the short sighted ones wont.

BTW...Im looking to get this done either this week or next week...my money is ready, no excuses, no tire kicking, no BS...I just need my price
After reading your responses, maybe you don't deserve a great tuner, one that knows their business and what is the best for your Vette.

Asking the tunners to seek you out is - do yourself a favor - purchase a Tech II and do your own work
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Originally Posted by jmoody66
I would rather all the quality shops do their math, give me their best numbers, including their phone number and earn a lifetime customer. I stay loyal and considering I am looking into getting a C6 Z06 and turbocharging it as well theres more long term money to be earned than just shooting for max profit on one short term deal. Im looking for competition to give me a better price which in turn, if the job is done right, gets my recurring revenue. Biz is Biz and recurring rev is king over short term anyday of the week.....any GOOD businessman will recognize the method and play a smart game....the short sighted ones wont.

BTW...Im looking to get this done either this week or next week...my money is ready, no excuses, no tire kicking, no BS...I just need my price
All of the DFW area corvette shops are kept pretty busy. They don't really have to go looking for work. At least the ones that I have trusted my car to. Any tuner will work with you on your desired settings, but you will pay for their time and work. I can suggest that you post in the SW section what you are trying to do and see if someone has the capability and is willing to let you borrow/buy it and try it yourself. Or go and buy the tools yourself.

Its not just about the money with these shops. They stand behind their work and have been doing it for awhile. So you know what you are getting when you pay for it.
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After reading your responses, maybe you don't deserve a great tuner, one that knows their business and what is the best for your Vette.

Asking the tunners to seek you out is - do yourself a favor - purchase a Tech II and do your own work
Please explain why someone seeking to get bids on work doesnt deserve a great tuner....many businesses including government send out the requirements and ask for the best price. What are they supposed to do....go to WalMart and buy just cuz they think its the best price? This is how many businesses work.
Is it any different than banks competing for your business? All Im asking for is a quote and since many shops are on these forums it would only seem natural for them to send me a quote.
I did myself a favor...I have HPTuners....thats why I only need a minor touch up and some dyno time.
I guess me asking for a better deal is wrong? Is this why many complain about the Corvette tax yet take it up the *** and buy anyway? Geez...gimmie a break.
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you come across rather brash in thinking these shops should lower their prices just for you. they really don't need to compete for business by bidding the lowest for their work to the customer. You might get a deal if you buy a package or multiple items from a place, but just to go in for one thing and expect them to offer some rock bottom price is probably a bit unrealistic.

When I asked around recently, LG was quoting $500 for a tune. Quality was $400.

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you come across rather brash in thinking these shops should lower their prices just for you. they really don't need to compete for business by bidding the lowest for their work to the customer. You might get a deal if you buy a package or multiple items from a place, but just to go in for one thing and expect them to offer some rock bottom price is probably a bit unrealistic.

When I asked around recently, LG was quoting $500 for a tune. Quality was $400.

good luck!
Not trying to sound brash...trying to get competitive bid...competition is healthy and keeps pricing in check otherwise you would pay big bucks for everything and then we would all be whining about how high prices are. Do you shop at WalMart or know anyone that does? Why do they go there? PRICING that is lower than the COMPETITION......large volume smaller profits yet they are making a killing. Its practiced everyday. Am I brash for going to walmart instead of Dillards, yes I know the quality is not the same so dont go there.
And read my request...I am looking for multiple things:
A tune, A clutch and the install. This is 3 potential profit making requests in one "package" and who knows...I may add more....its the nature of the beast to buy when you see the cool things the shop may have to offer in their lobby.
I just need competitive quotes...not a rock bottom quote...but thats where competition comes to play. If you try to play it too high and make too much money then you only shoot yourself in the leg..not me. Im trying to give away my money here and Im brash.
Tell you what.....I have an 05 TRX450R for sale, for real, to me its worth $5000.00, will you buy it no questions asked or will you research and see if you can find the same 4 wheeler for a better price? If your dumb you wont research it and I will get your ***....I hope your not dumb.
Heres a good one for ya. I needed to replace 4 house roofs from the hail storm we had...now I got insurance monies for them but since they are rentals they apply more depreciation meaning more money out of my pocket, about 5K, which honestly...would you want to save that or just give it up? So I called em all out...gimmie your bids. Oh business was just too good...were booked...we cant do that....so I waited till just last month because business always....always has cycles of really good, ok and not so good....guess what...all 4 roofs done with no out of pocket expense and the roofers still made money but more importantly I did not get wallet raped. Am I wrong or am I smart? So once again...not rock bottom prices just more competitive.

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I don't necessarily disagree with your thought process; but, I think that this is not a volume business, especially the tuning portion. It is more of a quality/service industry. You wouldn't go to the cheapest plastic surgeon just because he is the cheapest. You would want the best available at a reasonable price. Maybe you should look for the reputation first and then see what they want to do the tune...negotiate from there. Just a thought.

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I don't necessarily disagree with your thought process; but, I think that this is not a volume business, especially the tuning portion. It is more of a quality/service industry. You wouldn't go to the cheapest plastic surgeon just because he is the cheapest. You would want the best available at a reasonable price. Maybe you should look for the reputation first and then see what they want to do the tune...negotiate from there. Just a thought.

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I see your point and your exactly right....I do want the best available at a reasonable price....you read between the lines where others just couldnt and summed it all up in one 10 word sentence.
I would like to take your advice and reword this whole request and then I will do the leg work and get the pricing and then make a determination of where my money goes based on rep and then price.
A few guys have already given me several well known tuners. I have never requested a poll but could someone put one together of multiple well known tuners and let people vote based on their experiences with these people? It may be too much trouble but thats how I made my determination on choosing the Textrella clutch. Anyone want to step up and set this up or lead me in the right direction to set it up?
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All of the DFW area corvette shops are kept pretty busy. They don't really have to go looking for work. At least the ones that I have trusted my car to. Any tuner will work with you on your desired settings, but you will pay for their time and work. I can suggest that you post in the SW section what you are trying to do and see if someone has the capability and is willing to let you borrow/buy it and try it yourself. Or go and buy the tools yourself.

Its not just about the money with these shops. They stand behind their work and have been doing it for awhile. So you know what you are getting when you pay for it.
Not all shops stand behind their work. I have a lady friend in Frisco that just had her CTS-V clutch put in and she is going through hell with them right now cuz they tried to screw her. I dont know all the details but I know I could get em.

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Not all shops stand behind their work. I have a lady friend in Frisco that just had her CTS-V clutched put in and she is going through hell with them right now cuz they tried to screw her. I dont know all the details but I know I could get em.
Hey, I got a lady friend in Frisco to haha

Do you mind saying who the shop was? You can PM me if you would like
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Originally Posted by jmoody66
Please explain why someone seeking to get bids on work doesnt deserve a great tuner....many businesses including government send out the requirements and ask for the best price. What are they supposed to do....go to WalMart and buy just cuz they think its the best price? This is how many businesses work.
Is it any different than banks competing for your business? All Im asking for is a quote and since many shops are on these forums it would only seem natural for them to send me a quote.
I did myself a favor...I have HPTuners....thats why I only need a minor touch up and some dyno time.
I guess me asking for a better deal is wrong? Is this why many complain about the Corvette tax yet take it up the *** and buy anyway? Geez...gimmie a break.


Tell you what:

1. Call the tunners in the DFW area for quotes.

2. Compare quotes.

3. Determine which fits your budget.

4. Get the work done by the tunner you picked.

5. Stop posting.

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