Halltech CAI, Long tubes, X-pipe, cat delete, air system delete, tune, lowest possible on stock bolts, track type wheel alignment, DRM/LG spindle ducts, SS caliper pistons, titanium caliper shims, HAWK HP+ pads, SS brake lines, and just this week, underdrive pulley, DRM radiator with engine oil cooler, and aluminum steering rack bushings. Just enough to get to around '02-'04 specs (not the intention, just where I happen to be) and withstand going as hard as I can all session long during the summer in the desert.

 

And no-one argued this might not be the case... but again - where is this SportAuto test?

And on anther day the 2001 C5 Z06 beats the 360 by a small margin. Why do you keep arguing magazine nonsense when I and others are telling you from actual on road experience?


It is not a claim - it is fact. If you have any doubt please give Mr John Heinricy a call and ask him. The Nurburgring time is not a claim - it is fact.

Actually you did - you were under th impression they were only the rear shocks. It bears repeating that hte 2004 shocks wree a significant improvement and made the car much better handling on the edge - much better.

Call on whom ever you want Knock yourself out - I am telling you with the new shocks I was seconds a lap faster.

That seems like an aweful lot of changes just to make up a measly 20ftlb and some shock revalving.

You cant have it both ways - either the 2004 cars are quicker than the 2001's or they are not.

 

Okay. I actually agree to an extent. So do you think a 2004 Z06 beats a 2001 Z06 by two seconds per lap on a track only 1:14 long?

Okay dude. I've only been tracking my car for the last two years. I'm at work right now, how about you? You at home doing internet mag racing?

 

Exactly. I had a stock 2001 Z06, modded it to the power level of the '04 and felt nearly no difference. What's the problem?

 

and 25 laps is a lap up!

 

how is that enough? lol sorry to break your bubble. All you have is a longtube exhaust and intake 01z (in terms of POWER)? any tuning cause without tuning your still slower than a stock 02+z. with tuning you would be on par.
yes your car has good cooling mods but that doesnt make it quicker.. just stay out there longer. Ill give you something for your alignment and brakes. ok so maybe your ahead... but any of the cars can do your MINOR mods.
btw mid 03 and 04 have different SHOCKS.. those shocks alone made a significant improvement in handling and im sure your 01z is still slower around a track than a 04. they made these shocks for the improvement and 7:54 lap time best at the ring.

 

What kind of a job do you have where you have to work at night and you can spend hours posting?

 

Yeah. That's because they are comparible. Not the C5Z06 running circles around the 360 Modena like you said.


Because "magazine nonsense" is timed on a track by the same drivers in stock cars. Not stories told of single encounters with unknown circumstances, unknown mods, and unknown driving skill.



Semantics. Of course it happened. "Factory claim" is a term used for a time achieved by a factory backed attempt by a factroy driver on a closed 'ring. It is always faster than the time acheived by Sport Auto. If Ferrari had rented the n'ring and send a Ferrari driver there to acheive the best possible time for the 360CS, then that would be a comparable time. They didn't.



Hey, if you want to say my car is faster than a 2004 Z06 due to the mods, so be it. I'm just being conservative. Of course I don't know that it's exactly the same as a 2004 Z06.


For the hundredth time, THEY ARE QUICKER!!!! When did I ever say otherwise? I just said the difference in minimal. Not 2 seconds on a 1:14 track. after all, that's being blown into the weeds, remember?

 

You are basing your supposition that there is 2s to make up based on a supposed test done 4 years previously. In those 4 years the Hockenhem ring has undergone a number of maintenance procedures and surface improvments - it happens over time with a world class race track.

I am calling this supposed SportAuto test in 2000 out as for YEARS I have been asking about it and as of yet have never seen it produced for reading.

Do you know which volume it appeared in? I will buy it on eBay if I can.

I would love to see this test. It seems strange they didnt take the car t the Northloop the way SportAuto is want to do.

And again, the 2004 C5 Z06 is faster, and faster by seconds a lap than a stock 2001 car.

The reduced lap time is attributed to the noticably better shocks and less so to the extra 20ftlb of torque.

 

Yeah, I listed that it's tuned. It was dyno tuned by XtremeMotorsports in Phoenix. As for the shocks, maybe it's just because the three tracks I run have no elevation change, but I run over the curbs like a **** and I never feel like the chassis is upset so that I can't get the power down when I want. I don't see how shocks could really make much of a difference at least on the tracks I run. Elavation changes could make a big difference. BTW, the lap was a 7:56, not a 7:54 and you still haven't linked me to a source that says the stock C5Z06 pulls 1.1 g in the skidpad.

 

with big fat wide slicks it prob will of course anything would!

 

Fine. Throw out the Hockenhime number you don't like. Let's focus on the RoadandTrack test. A 360 Modena equal a 2001 Z06, correct? Great. The 360CS has 25hp and is 243 lbs lighter than a 360 Modena. A 2004 Z06 is 20hp and has different shocks than a 2001 Z06. So these shocks are sooooooo good they make up 243 lbs?


Supposed to be December 2000.

 

 

Anything?

 

This argument is getting absurd.

Now you are claiming that because the 360CS is lighter and makes more HP (not torque) than the C5 Z06 it must be faster - and that no way can a lighter more powerful car be slower?

Hhhhmm.. when this approach was used to "debate" whether the 2009 GT-R is faster than the C6 Z06 which makes more power and is 600lbs lighter it is dismissed because the GT-R is "just superior".

Which side of the GT-R vs C6 Z06 debate are you one?

The C5 Z06 with its 130 extra ftlb of torque literally pulls car lengths on the F360 on the freeway, and easily rolls past though the gears and by the time the F360 finds its legs and runs towards its 10mph higher topspeed you are on the fast side of 160mph and anhy distance the 360CS makes make is moot - as you dont need to run to 186mph to "prove' you rolled away from them.

You may not believe this, but it is the truth.

Really. It is. Thsi is how it goes down in real life. I am sorry if you have never had the chance to run away from a 360 on the freeway - it is veryvery easy to do.

And when it comes to the twisty bits, around extremly twsity bits might have the 360 staying in front of you, but the moment the road/track opens up and little, you simply power up alongside and past a 360.. honestly.

And the 360CS is not going to run away from you, it really is not.

Now as to whether the shocks make a differnece? Yes they do - pity if you havent had a chance to experince the differences.

Ihave found 9/00 and 7/00 magazines.

I will provide a scan on this 12/00 test if it exists.

 

No. That's not what I said at all. We have a test that shows the 2001 Z06 to be on par with the standard 360 Modena. Correct? The 2004 Z06 is better than the 2001 Z06 by 20hp and shocks, Correct? The 360CS is better than the 360 Modena by 25hp and 243 lbs. Correct? So how can the 2004 Z06 be better than the 360 CS? 20 ft lbs and shock valving is going to more than compensate for 5hp and 243hp? I think not. It doesn't follow at all. But if you would like to get into the other factors besides power and weight, the Ferrari will win out with it's transmission and mid engine layout. Also, I don't care about highway pulls. All I'm talking about is track perfomance and 1/4 mile times.

 

So your entire position is backed by "magazine" tests and extrapolation?

The 360CS is NOT as light as you think it is Many of these flawed claims are not the wet weight.

As I have said - when the 360CS I did a photoshoot for was being track prepped I recall the weight being 2980lbs. I will get hold of the track prep guys again and ask fwhat the real wieght was and get back with it.

But I am really, really sure it was not 2800lbs fully prepped ready to go.

 

that could prob pull 1.2 with slicks!

 

Found it:

The thread over at FerrariChat where US 360 and 360CS owners discuss the facts that the 360CS is really a 3000lb car in reality.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...t=360cs+weight


Please unerstand, I am not trying to put down the Ferrari - just dispell myths that are out there.

The bottom line is that the 2001 C5 Z06 can run and gun with the F360 and the 2004 C5 Z06 can run and gun with the F360CS - really, it can.

I seldom get invlved in forum discussions, but when I do, I never bull$hit - ever: and am inveriably right.

 

i've done it