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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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basicly a compressor would cost same or more than entire engine?
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 07:58 PM
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Because people will pay for it. Basic economics and nothing more. Doesn't make sense to me either for what it's worth...
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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True, I had never tought about it that way?
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ahh. interesting. I never noticed that because I have my mind set on a supercharger. It doesn't make sense to me either.
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Because for such a small piece you can double your HP and TQ and remain fuel efficient and drivable!

It would take a whole lot more to make a N/A motor put down the same numbers and remain fuel efficient!

Example- friend has a C5R motor (427 cid) N/A and is putting down 520 RWHP and it cost him a huge amount and it really eats the fuel (Especially around town-sounds awesome though)

Other friend has a stock(With the exception of the full exhaust headers etc) '04 Coupe MN6 with a ProCharger and is putting down 525 RWHP and still gets well above 30+ MPG and it sounds stock drives stock but when you get in it it rips as does the NA 427 C5R---

but the difference is the Vette's were already paid for by both parties and in the end the 427 CID cost more than putting a SuperCharger on a stock motor.

Of course this is only a small comparison because everyone prefers something different - Like me I like the motor and the SuperCharger (See sig below )

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That is a good point, never thought about it. One possible reason is that there a far less superchargers produced than engines, economy of scale. The other reason is that people pony up the $$$.
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Isn't it also true that unless you are driving with "Wide Open Throttle" to drop the vacuum the car will run same as stock?

When you floor the pedal there is a great boost of HP but unless it is floored it will have same power for all the rest like 99% of driving if it is just around town and not on a drag or other track?

Or is it only over 5000 rpm or similar high rpm?

Just asking because that is what is stopping me from doing that. Car is powerful as it is and I don't have that much occasion to have the pedal all the way down for any length of time.

Now for bench-top racing that is different and I understand that. I got more HP than you, etc..
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Originally Posted by madmatt9471
Because for such a small piece you can double your HP and TQ and remain fuel efficient and drivable!

It would take a whole lot more to make a N/A motor put down the same numbers and remain fuel efficient!

Example- friend has a C5R motor (427 cid) N/A and is putting down 520 RWHP and it cost him a huge amount and it really eats the fuel (Especially around town-sounds awesome though)

Other friend has a stock(With the exception of the full exhaust headers etc) '04 Coupe MN6 with a ProCharger and is putting down 525 RWHP and still gets well above 30+ MPG and it sounds stock drives stock but when you get in it it rips as does the NA 427 C5R---

but the difference is the Vette's were already paid for by both parties and in the end the 427 CID cost more than putting a SuperCharger on a stock motor.

Of course this is only a small comparison because everyone prefers something different - Like me I like the motor and the SuperCharger (See sig below )

Thanks,Matt
The question wasn't about cost in relation to results. It was cost in relation to equipment, and in that sense there is no reason that a relatively simple pump/compressor should cost as much as they do.
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Can anybody explain why a supercharger
http://www.thx2.net/exhaust/ghl_burnout.wmv

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Originally Posted by Willfulone
I could do burnouts and doughnuts all day long in my 88 Camaro, what's that have to do with anything?
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Wait till you see the fine prints (parts that are required to fully utilize it's potential) that come with the superchargers

BUT......

when done right, you will get 30+ MPG (I do), drive like a stock C5 and smoke pretty much anything out there with a built motor and a fuel system!
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Originally Posted by redls1gto
I could do burnouts and doughnuts all day long in my 88 Camaro,
Prove it

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NITROUS (150 shot) = $1,000
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Originally Posted by motogib1
That is a good point, never thought about it. One possible reason is that there a far less superchargers produced than engines, economy of scale. The other reason is that people pony up the $$$.
True, but then again it's still nothing more than some tubing other than the compressor. Not a lot of materials involved
If you really want to get upset, look at the cost of SCs for mustangs and trucks compared to the C5s and C6s. ABOUT 1/2
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Originally Posted by BOTTLE FED
True, but then again it's still nothing more than some tubing other than the compressor. Not a lot of materials involved
If you really want to get upset, look at the cost of SCs for mustangs and trucks compared to the C5s and C6s. ABOUT 1/2
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It probably is more or less another instance of...because they can.
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Originally Posted by Willfulone
Prove it.

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Seriously?
I sold the 88 Camaro about 10 years ago... hence the word COULD instead of CAN. Since that one apparently went way over your head and you completely missed the point and saw it as a challenge, I will try again.

I CAN do burnouts and doughnuts all day long in my stock 02Z... no supercharger needed. Do you want to argue that one as well? Do you need me to prove it?

With that out of the way I'll ask again. WTF does a Corvette doing a burnout have to do with the price of a supercharger?

The answer: NOTHING.

EDIT: I noticed that you edited your post to something just as irrelevant as the original, but your new answer proved my point exactly. There is nothing spectacular about a car doing a burnout.

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Originally Posted by minitech
Isn't it also true that unless you are driving with "Wide Open Throttle" to drop the vacuum the car will run same as stock?

When you floor the pedal there is a great boost of HP but unless it is floored it will have same power for all the rest like 99% of driving if it is just around town and not on a drag or other track?

Or is it only over 5000 rpm or similar high rpm?

Just asking because that is what is stopping me from doing that. Car is powerful as it is and I don't have that much occasion to have the pedal all the way down for any length of time.

Now for bench-top racing that is different and I understand that. I got more HP than you, etc..
You dont have to floor it in order to get boost...Now granted the more gas you give the more boost you get. If I give my car a good amount of gas it will start to build boost even though it is not WOT.

One of the top vendors on the forum stated last week that his cost just on the intercoolers itself was around 1000.00 compared to some of the cheaper ones for other cars that are using a cheaper material and design could be as low as 400.00 to make

Also to just like MADMATT said, we can still get 30 mpg with a supercharger...keeping in mind the potential still left if we want to add heads, cam, and forge it down the road
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all I was trying to understand is that SC's for other brands ie. F150 that I have can be had for 1/2 the price and all the difference there is is the shape of the intake to fit the heads if I'm correct.It would make sense that some shop could do just that and deliver a unit for approx. 3-3.5k and blow all the competition...
To say the truth I do have the bucks but have a problem with the principle here...MHO though
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Originally Posted by wildbadbill
all I was trying to understand is that SC's for other brands ie. F150 that I have can be had for 1/2 the price and all the difference there is is the shape of the intake to fit the heads if I'm correct.It would make sense that some shop could do just that and deliver a unit for approx. 3-3.5k and blow all the competition...
To say the truth I do have the bucks but have a problem with the principle here...MHO though
I understand what you are saying about the cost in relation to other SuperChargers for other brands of vehicles. But C5 Supercharges have come way down and it is a "BOLT ON" item.

But really can you beat a A&A Supercharger for $3200.00 complete ready to go as it is being sold right now from A&A? That's an insane deal

I bought mine used for $3900.00 which was way cheaper than doing my forged motor! ($5000+)

Although a stock motor from GMPP will cost around the same as a supercharger and then all you get is a stock motor again!

So I think that is why when most people do have to go with a new motor they "OPT" to at least throw on a set of performance Heads and a Cam and get around 400 RWHP and 400 RWTQ!

Believe me you can install a Supercharger easier than you can do a motor change "Yourself" in your own garage too! and that can be a huge savings.

Really it comes down to what you want and you can have the best of both worlds with a supercharger. Great gas mileage and great performance - Almost like a stealth, sleeper

Thanks,Matt
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