Chuck CoW tune ($399) vs. ECS tune ($99)????
08-20-2009, 02:49 PM
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Chuck CoW tune ($399) vs. ECS tune ($99)????
Now I am really confused. I've spoken to both and they both insist that they have to software that will specifically improve an automatic c5 (99). Chuck's primary "pitch" is that he does tunes for a living while ECS say they "build" high performance vettes and that they offer less expensive tunes (that are identical to Chuck's) for less because tunes are not their primary source of income.
Earlier I posted a thread asking for recommendations/comments on Chuck CoW's tunes and most everything I've gotten back so far has been very positive. I guess I'm now looking for some feedback on ECS's tunes and want to hear what anyone has to say about their work.
The bottom line is.... are both guys providing the exact same tune/service but one can get away with charging $399 and still build a good customer base?
I would really like to get this figured out before I go to the fairgrounds next Thursday to get a tune done by one of these two guys.
Any feedback, comments, recommendations or complaints are welcome.
See you all at the show next week.
Al in Carlisle
Earlier I posted a thread asking for recommendations/comments on Chuck CoW's tunes and most everything I've gotten back so far has been very positive. I guess I'm now looking for some feedback on ECS's tunes and want to hear what anyone has to say about their work.
The bottom line is.... are both guys providing the exact same tune/service but one can get away with charging $399 and still build a good customer base?
I would really like to get this figured out before I go to the fairgrounds next Thursday to get a tune done by one of these two guys.
Any feedback, comments, recommendations or complaints are welcome.
See you all at the show next week.
Al in Carlisle
08-20-2009, 03:14 PM
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Just to hopefully start this off on the right foot, I really do not want any bashing please from either direction. We both have plenty of satisfied customers, and a good reputations. If you feel $399 for a tune is worth it, by all means go ahead! 
You can go to the C5 scan and tune section right now and see independent dyno testing of my mail order tunes, that and the tons of Corvette track records speak for themselves IMO. We have the stock bottom end track records for both C5 and C6, and then there is our fast cars...
Most of the fast cars applications do not apply at Carlisle, but when you have tuned thousands of Corvettes by now, with records in every venue, it's hard to say that we cant tune a stock car as well as anyone.
We will be the only tuner in Carlisle that will offer to dyno your vehicle before and after right then and there, and we have every capability or more then every other tuner there.
We feel $99 is a fair and reasonable price on both ends, and giving specials at shows is what a customer should expect! Thats where the term "show special" comes from!!
You can go to the C5 scan and tune section right now and see independent dyno testing of my mail order tunes, that and the tons of Corvette track records speak for themselves IMO. We have the stock bottom end track records for both C5 and C6, and then there is our fast cars...
Most of the fast cars applications do not apply at Carlisle, but when you have tuned thousands of Corvettes by now, with records in every venue, it's hard to say that we cant tune a stock car as well as anyone.
We will be the only tuner in Carlisle that will offer to dyno your vehicle before and after right then and there, and we have every capability or more then every other tuner there.
We feel $99 is a fair and reasonable price on both ends, and giving specials at shows is what a customer should expect! Thats where the term "show special" comes from!!
08-20-2009, 03:24 PM
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Last he put it on the dyno for 3 pulls and it was done. The car runs great. Computer Aided Gear Selection (CAGS) or "skip shift" was gone and the car overall felt so much quicker...I'm sure a good part of that was because of the new exhaust.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70oMvNUlqSQ
I'm sure things will be different at Carlisle...maybe it's something like their mail order tune?
http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.co...ynotuning.html
08-20-2009, 04:33 PM
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Like I said earlier on the phone.....
Now I am really confused. I've spoken to both and they both insist that they have to software that will specifically improve an automatic c5 (99). Chuck's primary "pitch" is that he does tunes for a living while ECS say they "build" high performance vettes and that they offer less expensive tunes (that are identical to Chuck's) for less because tunes are not their primary source of income.
Earlier I posted a thread asking for recommendations/comments on Chuck CoW's tunes and most everything I've gotten back so far has been very positive. I guess I'm now looking for some feedback on ECS's tunes and want to hear what anyone has to say about their work.
The bottom line is.... are both guys providing the exact same tune/service but one can get away with charging $399 and still build a good customer base?
I would really like to get this figured out before I go to the fairgrounds next Thursday to get a tune done by one of these two guys.
Any feedback, comments, recommendations or complaints are welcome.
See you all at the show next week.
Al in Carlisle
Earlier I posted a thread asking for recommendations/comments on Chuck CoW's tunes and most everything I've gotten back so far has been very positive. I guess I'm now looking for some feedback on ECS's tunes and want to hear what anyone has to say about their work.
The bottom line is.... are both guys providing the exact same tune/service but one can get away with charging $399 and still build a good customer base?
I would really like to get this figured out before I go to the fairgrounds next Thursday to get a tune done by one of these two guys.
Any feedback, comments, recommendations or complaints are welcome.
See you all at the show next week.
Al in Carlisle
Like I offered you earlier.....Try ECS FIRST. If you're satisfied...Go home with a smile, save some bread, and...YOU'RE GOOD!
If you wanna lick another lollypop and get a taste for what I offer...Try what thousands of my very satisfied C5 automatic customers have experienced.
If you happen not to think my tune suits you or your style of driving....I'll give you all of your money back sunday afternoon (along with your other tune) ABSOLUTELY NO RISK.
I won't do this for everyone...But, I'll do it for you.
Here's a link to your other thread.
Feedback in your other thread...
Chuck CoW
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08-20-2009, 04:44 PM
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Chuck?
ESC?
Do you guys lock the tunes?
Yes or No?
Problem is I know is a couple of guys want to add some mods but the tune is locked!
They live in Vegas and the tuner is thousands of miles away.
Mailing the PCM back and forth is not a viable option because of the down time and quite frankly it is difficult to tune a modded car when you don't have the car.
And they don't want to buy a new PCM as one guy already did because the tuner that charged him $500 to tune refuses to unlock it.
ESC?
Do you guys lock the tunes?
Yes or No?
Problem is I know is a couple of guys want to add some mods but the tune is locked!
They live in Vegas and the tuner is thousands of miles away.
Mailing the PCM back and forth is not a viable option because of the down time and quite frankly it is difficult to tune a modded car when you don't have the car.
And they don't want to buy a new PCM as one guy already did because the tuner that charged him $500 to tune refuses to unlock it.
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08-20-2009, 04:46 PM
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Are the custom tunes only available for automatics? I'm about to take delivery of my new 97' C5 6 speed. I'm going to add an intake system right off the bat and it already has flowmasters on it. I know it isn't headers, X-pipe, and catback, but that will be done later after I get a chance to hear some systems first hand. So with the basic exhaust and better flowing intake system mods, can a custom tune do anything for the LS1?
I am planning on changing to 19" CCW Sp500's soon as well, should I wait? Sorry for all the noob questions.
I am planning on changing to 19" CCW Sp500's soon as well, should I wait? Sorry for all the noob questions.
08-20-2009, 04:47 PM
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08-20-2009, 04:53 PM
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'10-'12-'13-'14
No locking tunes of any kind.....
Chuck?
ESC?
Do you guys lock the tunes?
Yes or No?
Problem is I know is a couple of guys want to add some mods but the tune is locked!
The live in Vegas and the tuner is thousands of miles away.
Mailing the PCM back and forth is not a viable option because of the down time and quite frankly it is difficult to tune a modded car when you don't have the car.
And they don't want to buy a new PCM as one guy already did because the tuner that charged him $500 to tune refuses to unlock it.
ESC?
Do you guys lock the tunes?
Yes or No?
Problem is I know is a couple of guys want to add some mods but the tune is locked!
The live in Vegas and the tuner is thousands of miles away.
Mailing the PCM back and forth is not a viable option because of the down time and quite frankly it is difficult to tune a modded car when you don't have the car.
And they don't want to buy a new PCM as one guy already did because the tuner that charged him $500 to tune refuses to unlock it.
Chuck coW
08-20-2009, 04:57 PM
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No sir....
Are the custom tunes only available for automatics? I'm about to take delivery of my new 97' C5 6 speed. I'm going to add an intake system right off the bat and it already has flowmasters on it. I know it isn't headers, X-pipe, and catback, but that will be done later after I get a chance to hear some systems first hand. So with the basic exhaust and better flowing intake system mods, can a custom tune do anything for the LS1?
I am planning on changing to 19" CCW Sp500's soon as well, should I wait? Sorry for all the noob questions.
I am planning on changing to 19" CCW Sp500's soon as well, should I wait? Sorry for all the noob questions.
No sir... Don't apolagize...NOOB questions keep us in business!
Yes, absolutely you can get fantastic gains with a good tune.
No, don't wait! When I tune your car, I have a NO-CHARGE RE-TUNE policy. When you come back to me with mods you install yourself (or I install) I RE-TUNE YOUR CAR FOR FREE!
Can't beat that!
Chuck CoW
08-20-2009, 04:58 PM
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No sir... Don't apolagize...NOOB questions keep us in business!
Yes, absolutely you can get fantastic gains with a good tune.
No, don't wait! When I tune your car, I have a NO-CHARGE RE-TUNE policy. When you come back to me with mods you install yourself (or I install) I RE-TUNE YOUR CAR FOR FREE!
Can't beat that!
Chuck CoW
Yes, absolutely you can get fantastic gains with a good tune.
No, don't wait! When I tune your car, I have a NO-CHARGE RE-TUNE policy. When you come back to me with mods you install yourself (or I install) I RE-TUNE YOUR CAR FOR FREE!
Can't beat that!
Chuck CoW
How does that work?
08-20-2009, 05:20 PM
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Yeah, how does that work?? That is also a great service Chuck. I plan on modding it as I go so that would be a great. I didn't plan on having this car, it just fell into my lap so to speak. My friends dad wanted me to have the car so he "Made Me An Offer I Couldn't Refuse" ; )
Now I have this dream car and don't make enough to do everything all at once. So I will upgrade as my wallet sees fit. Other than the intake, I plan on fixing any and all cosmetic flaws first to get the car back to mint. Wheels and tires are part of that mix. But the tunes sound very reasonable so this sounds like a must do. What kind of gains can you expect out of them? Let's say a stock LS1 with a cold air intake system(not sure what one to go with) and a cat back. Car has Flowmasters on it but I'm not sure if it just had mufflers installed or if it has an actual system on it. What difference could the tune provide? Thanks for the help in advance.
Now I have this dream car and don't make enough to do everything all at once. So I will upgrade as my wallet sees fit. Other than the intake, I plan on fixing any and all cosmetic flaws first to get the car back to mint. Wheels and tires are part of that mix. But the tunes sound very reasonable so this sounds like a must do. What kind of gains can you expect out of them? Let's say a stock LS1 with a cold air intake system(not sure what one to go with) and a cat back. Car has Flowmasters on it but I'm not sure if it just had mufflers installed or if it has an actual system on it. What difference could the tune provide? Thanks for the help in advance.
08-20-2009, 05:27 PM
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I sent my computer for to Chris and the guys at ECS. I am very happy with the results of my mail order tune. Shift points are so much better. The overall performance of the car is night and day different. I wish i would have done this sooner.
I am sure Chuck does a great job as well.
I just wanted to say i am another Happy ECS customer
no matter what way you go it will be a huge gain from the factory settings so you really cant go wrong doing this.
Make sure with both your very detailed as to what mods you have done as in a mail order tune your information is very important to them
I am sure Chuck does a great job as well.
I just wanted to say i am another Happy ECS customer
no matter what way you go it will be a huge gain from the factory settings so you really cant go wrong doing this.
Make sure with both your very detailed as to what mods you have done as in a mail order tune your information is very important to them
08-20-2009, 05:42 PM
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I also have a nOOb question. 
What tuning program do you guys use for the mail in flash's? Also for data logging after we get the PCM back to make sure no other parameters need to be tweaked what program do you recommend?
Thanks
What tuning program do you guys use for the mail in flash's? Also for data logging after we get the PCM back to make sure no other parameters need to be tweaked what program do you recommend?
Thanks
