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Old May 6, 2010 | 03:01 AM
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Had the car 3 years and still learning.

I was reading a thread about active handling and someone wrote
press the active handling button and hold it for a few seconds and "competative driving" mode shows up!!!!

Anyone know what the difference in handling is?
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Old May 6, 2010 | 03:11 AM
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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...ving-mode.html

Before I had my torque management turned off via tuning, it seemed to me that the car was sluggish off the line in competitive mode... more so than in either normal driving or just with t/c off. It was kind of useless. I could go into this "competitive" mode, but it wouldn't even spin the wheels and was slower off the line than it was before.

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Old May 6, 2010 | 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by still-asleep
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...tive-mode.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...ving-mode.html

Before I had my torque management turned off via tuning, it seemed to me that the car was sluggish off the line in competitive mode... more so than in either normal driving or just with t/c off. It was kind of useless. I could go into this "competitive" mode, but it wouldn't even spin the wheels and was slower off the line than it was before.
Thanks for that.
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Old May 6, 2010 | 06:53 AM
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Competitive Driving Mode turns traction control off, but leaves active handling on.
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Old May 6, 2010 | 09:20 AM
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Have you read your Owners Manual?
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Old May 6, 2010 | 04:58 PM
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Have you read your Owners Manual?
My owners what?
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Old May 6, 2010 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dougbfresh
Have you read your Owners Manual?
Originally Posted by eylesda
My owners what?
I remember seeing one of those someplace!
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How would Competitive mode make the car feel sluggish off the line (assuming you don't mean due to wheelspin). Aren't what calculations and tables the factory ECM tune uses as far as TM the same between the two modes? Doesn't it only disable the traction control? Thought competitive mode was supposed to be the way to go when getting ready to do some 1/4 runs, etc.

Certainly easier just to switch it all off if competitive mode really does slap you with somekind of extra torque management...


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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...tive-mode.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...ving-mode.html

Before I had my torque management turned off via tuning, it seemed to me that the car was sluggish off the line in competitive mode... more so than in either normal driving or just with t/c off. It was kind of useless. I could go into this "competitive" mode, but it wouldn't even spin the wheels and was slower off the line than it was before.

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Originally Posted by GM Fan
How would Competitive mode make the car feel sluggish off the line (assuming you don't mean due to wheelspin). Aren't what calculations and tables the factory ECM tune uses as far as TM the same between the two modes? Doesn't it only disable the traction control? Thought competitive mode was supposed to be the way to go when getting ready to do some 1/4 runs, etc. Certainly easy just to switch it all off if competitive mode really does slap you with somekind of extra torque management.
In comp mode active handling remains on so NOT to fishtail during wheel spin - which can save your LIFE ! I think ...
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Originally Posted by GM Fan
How would Competitive mode make the car feel sluggish off the line (assuming you don't mean due to wheelspin). Aren't what calculations and tables the factory ECM tune uses as far as TM the same between the two modes? Doesn't it only disable the traction control? Thought competitive mode was supposed to be the way to go when getting ready to do some 1/4 runs, etc.

Certainly easier just to switch it all off if competitive mode really does slap you with somekind of extra torque management...
Chuck COW says it's the electronic throttle... that there are different settings for it in competitive mode versus normal mode. He mentions it on the c6 here in this post : http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1565330860-post5.html.

I believe it's the same situation with what I experienced. It was noticeably more sluggish in competitive mode, which is exactly the opposite of what it should be.
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Originally Posted by still-asleep
Before I had my torque management turned off via tuning, it seemed to me that the car was sluggish off the line in competitive mode... more so than in either normal driving or just with t/c off. It was kind of useless. I could go into this "competitive" mode, but it wouldn't even spin the wheels and was slower off the line than it was before.
then you have a defective module/and-or bad programing somewhere. On C5's.. all the Comp mode does is disable traction control... nothing more or less. And what happens on the C6 - is a moot point on the C5.

We've got 2 C5's... andf I can tell you there's nothing sluggish about the Competitive Driving mode.
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then you have a defective module/and-or bad programing somewhere. On C5's.. all the Comp mode does is disable traction control... nothing more or less. And what happens on the C6 - is a moot point on the C5.

We've got 2 C5's... andf I can tell you there's nothing sluggish about the Competitive Driving mode.
I'm not the only one who has noticed it. If you search through the forum, you'll see other people mentioning the same issue. The original poster in the thread where Chuck made the post I quoted is one example: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...post1565330860

I doubt I have a defective module. This at the time was with everything bone stock, the mode worked in that it would turn off traction control....unless my electronic throttle program under competitive mode was somehow set differently from the factory, but as I said, other people here on the forum have posted about it as well.

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Originally Posted by Mike Mercury
then you have a defective module/and-or bad programing somewhere. On C5's.. all the Comp mode does is disable traction control... nothing more or less. And what happens on the C6 - is a moot point on the C5.

We've got 2 C5's... andf I can tell you there's nothing sluggish about the Competitive Driving mode.
Actually.......

The other fella is correct. When placing a C5 or C6 in Comp mode, the throttle response from the pedal to the electronic throttle is ACTUALLY much LESS RESPONSIVE than in normal TRACTION ON mode.

For anyone who has one of my C5 tunes, you can't tell cause I enhanced the throttle response dramatically and then copied that map to the "comp mode" ETC section so not only is my normal mode greatly enhanced, but the "COMP" mode just as exciting and then there is no difference when switching modes.

If you drive one of my C5 tunes then go back to a stocker, you'll lose your mind cause it sucks sooooo bad....

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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
Actually.......

The other fella is correct. When placing a C5 or C6 in Comp mode, the throttle response from the pedal to the electronic throttle is ACTUALLY much LESS RESPONSIVE than in normal TRACTION ON mode.

For anyone who has one of my C5 tunes, you can't tell cause I enhanced the throttle response dramatically and then copied that map to the "comp mode" ETC section so not only is my normal mode greatly enhanced, but the "COMP" mode just as exciting and then there is no difference when switching modes.

If you drive one of my C5 tunes then go back to a stocker, you'll lose your mind cause it sucks sooooo bad....

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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
Actually.......

The other fella is correct. When placing a C5 or C6 in Comp mode, the throttle response from the pedal to the electronic throttle is ACTUALLY much LESS RESPONSIVE than in normal TRACTION ON mode.

For anyone who has one of my C5 tunes, you can't tell cause I enhanced the throttle response dramatically and then copied that map to the "comp mode" ETC section so not only is my normal mode greatly enhanced, but the "COMP" mode just as exciting and then there is no difference when switching modes.

If you drive one of my C5 tunes then go back to a stocker, you'll lose your mind cause it sucks sooooo bad....

Chuck CoW
I hear ya; but not on C5's. Too many times people claim to have "found something" in programing software; like TM on a C5 6speed.

Guy got on here once and argued with everyone that there is TM on a manual shift C5 and that he dialed it out and it made a noticeable improvement

yeah it's there on the computer screen alright... but does not come into play any time except if the abuse-mode gets invoked. And if youi try to determine when the abuse-mode gets activated... you soon realize it could only happen under the most extreme conditions (like coolant failure), & never does on a MN6/M12 quipped C5; especially not during 1/4 mile runs or in a autocross/roadcourse situation.

I took videos of the throttle plate's movement from idle to WOT... in steps; and there was no change between any of the modes (TC,AH, differing combos - and both off).
All that matters is what happens while driving - and not what a computer screen is making one imagine might happen.

Again; just talking C5's here - with Gen 2 AH.
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Originally Posted by Mike Mercury
then you have a defective module/and-or bad programing somewhere. On C5's.. all the Comp mode does is disable traction control... nothing more or less. And what happens on the C6 - is a moot point on the C5.

We've got 2 C5's... andf I can tell you there's nothing sluggish about the Competitive Driving mode.
As the original poster on this issue to whom Chuck replied, I'll stick my 02 in: On an automatic mine is an 02 (I have no idea about manuals): when you put the car in comp mode it does disable traction control, but it also reduces the sensitivity or linearity of the throttle actuator. I assume this is to reduce the likelihood of unexpected wheel spin -yes you can spin the wheels because traction control is off, but the reduction in throttle sensitivity means that you have apply the throttle more forcefully to invoke wheel spin - big brother is still looking out for you even when you tell him not to.
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