Damn! except for a couple going O/T (& I) this thread is still alive. You guys are on your best behavior

 

It's not "Global warming" anymore; it is called a "Climate Change." We have an ethanol plant about 10 miles nort of town, Liberal Kansas, and at every other gas station there is a pump for E85. Sad, yes.

 

This is correct. It's not economical to make Ethanol, but not to say it's not better that we run it. Ethanol has a lot of benefits over gasoline that a lot of nut-jobs out there want the public not to see.

They had to change the name because too many morons were asking why it was getting colder if the planet is supposedly warming. Only uneducated people think that way. Unfortunately, the majority of our country live in ignorance. There's really nothing we can do about it too because for some very odd reason, religion seems to be far more important than education.

I don't see why you're against E85 though? What's wrong with it that it's "sad" it's offered at the pumps? If I could run E85 out here in California, I would. I could advance the timing on my car another 10-15 degrees, increase compression and make a lot more power while still maintaining my current fuel economy. There's no downside other than needing a tune. My car doesn't sit for 4-5 months at a time so I'll never have to worry about 2-3 ounces of water accumulating and I drive a C5, so I'm not worried about if water gets into the tank AT ALL.


We live in a very backwards society.

 

I wonder how people felt when gas changed from leaded to unleaded??? Now we use unleaded and dont even consider the loss of octane rating and the benefits such gas could have for performance.

I wonder if decades from now we'll be fueling up (or plugging in ) at a station and have forgotten all about the good ol' unleaded fuel once used.

 

Not sure about the engineering aspects of E15, but NASCAR will be introducing for the 2011 season. Some cars in other classes already have set ups that use it (i.e. 911 GT3 RSR).

 

I'm 27. I'm pretty open to new fuel types. It's trial and error that leads to advancement of technology. Some of you ol' timers are very much against the newer technologies because you can't see past your noses, but thankfully we don't have to rely on you people for the advancement of technology to come.

All I have to say at this point is that I'm glad we're using ethanol blends. It may not be the silver bullet we're looking for, but at least it's a step in the right direction. If you people are so worried about a drop in fuel economy (especially one so small as it is) you shouldn't be driving a sports car.

BUT if you want to continue to enjoy your sports car long into the years, you best start adapting to the changes coming. You don't have a choice and us progress-minded people are glad.

 

 

I've seen a few stations over in Morgan City with "No Ethanol Here" signs.

 

For those who are freaking out about this, the E15 thing isn't a mandated replacement. The web site specifically states that the fuel would only be for 2007 and newer vehicles, and that obvious labeling would be necessary to prevent people from accidentally choosing it instead of regular gasoline or E10. This means the E15 would be in addition to the regular 87/89/91+ and diesel already available.

Does anyone get mad that gas stations also sell diesel fuel that their cars can't run? Of course not. Will you regret putting diesel fuel in your gasoline engine if you do so accidentally? Of course. This is the same in that respect.

 

Is it me our is this county getting cheap instead of Quality Items we just buy cheap overseas crap now were going to get lousy gas whats next
disposable cars ? were almost there

 

Since Mr. Andrus of Archer Daniels Midland conglomerate bought Bob Dole and put him safely in his pocket the production of corn has gone up. And so has ADM's profits. That company produces more corn than any one else.

 

I have noticed a few 10% stations around Augusta Ga. not many,I will hold off using the stuff as long as I can.

 

WASHINGTON The Obama administration says gas stations can start selling fuel with more ethanol — a mixture of up to 15 percent — but it's only recommended for cars and light trucks built since 2007.

Motorists with older vehicles will need to watch what they're pumping or risk damaging their engines with too much corn-based fuel, the Environmental Protection Agency says. The current blend is 10 percent ethanol.

The move means that gas stations, if they choose to sell the fuel, will have to use special pumps and signs to make sure consumers don't fill their vehicles with the wrong fuel. The EPA said it will propose new pump labeling requirements to help consumers figure out which gas to use.

The ethanol industry says the agency should have allowed the higher blend for more vehicles, arguing that testing shows that it is safe. The EPA was more cautious, saying today that it will wait until more tests are completed in November to approve vehicles manufactured between 2001 and 2006.

The agency said owners of cars and trucks made before that — along with motorcycles, heavy-duty vehicles or non-road engines — will have to wait even longer, if such vehicles are approved at all.

The move, which comes less than a month before November's midterm elections, is politically popular in rural farm areas. But ethanol faces strong opposition from the auto industry, environmentalists, cattle ranchers, food companies and a broad coalition of other groups.

Opponents argue that the increase in production of corn and its diversion into ethanol is making animal feed more expensive, raising prices at the grocery store and tearing up the land. Manufacturers of smaller engines — used in everything from lawn mowers to boats — also oppose increasing the use of the fuel, saying those engines are not designed for the higher concentrations.

The Obama administration has remained supportive of the renewable fuel. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said today that "wherever sound science and the law support steps to allow more homegrown fuels in America's vehicles, this administration takes those steps."

The EPA has said a congressional mandate for increased ethanol use can't be achieved without allowing higher blends. Congress has required refiners to blend 36 billion gallons of biofuels, mostly ethanol, into auto fuel by 2022.

 

LOL!

The bi-product of making ethanol from corn is live stock feed. And they've found ways to make ethanol from other sources (like bamboo) which will yield larger amounts of ethanol due to it's faster growth rate. Also, the fields that make ethanol corn have nothing to do with the food-stock fields.

Funny how they oppose new corn fields because it's "tearing up the land" but we have fields of tobacco plants that are growing something far worse and that land could be used for growing corn. Farmers are either too simple to think for themselves or they're just too greedy that they look for excuses to hike up their prices.

Once again, we live in a very backwards society.