[Z06] C5 Coupe vs Z06
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From: Vette
Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (Zoomin)
I'm saying the transmission for example, has a different case that weighs less.
exhaust manifolds are lighter on the enigine
50 lbs may not sound like much, but that depends on where that weight is.
The lighter the better I’ll be the first one agree :yesnod: , but I think 50lb is too little to be able to notice any difference on a 3100lb car. Do you feel any difference in handling when you running ½ tank vs. full? (it’s ~55lb difference) ….I don’t….
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (EuG)
>>>exhaust manifolds are lighter on the enigine
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>Again, I haven’t heard this one before. I thought
>they were identical.
This is true. The LS6 manifolds are different from the LS1 manifolds. I am not sure what the weight difference is. http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/en...ls6_engine.htm
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>Again, I haven’t heard this one before. I thought
>they were identical.
This is true. The LS6 manifolds are different from the LS1 manifolds. I am not sure what the weight difference is. http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/en...ls6_engine.htm
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (rbartick)
Exhaust Manifold Design
Compared with the stamped-steel exhaust manifolds used on the LS1, the LS6 cast-iron exhaust manifolds provide improved flow of exhaust gases, increasing both engine performance and durability. For 2002, a freer flowing exhaust system increases the exhaust flow out of the engine, further increasing engine power.
Compared with the stamped-steel exhaust manifolds used on the LS1, the LS6 cast-iron exhaust manifolds provide improved flow of exhaust gases, increasing both engine performance and durability. For 2002, a freer flowing exhaust system increases the exhaust flow out of the engine, further increasing engine power.
Either way, I hope nobody will try to suggest that cast iron weights less than steel? :lol:
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (EuG)
I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the 2002 Sales book I got from the dealer says the LS6 manifold is lighter than the LS1 manifold. I will check later on tonight.
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (rbartick)
From an article pasted on another forum dedicated to Z06's:
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There's lot of little things that have been done to trim some weight, but the end result is the 100 lbs we're talking about. Given that both cars have to carry gas, that's a wash, if both are at the same level. If not there could be 110 lbs difference, or a potential of 210 lbs now.
There's folks out there that would argue that by changing the shocks, addiing a bar or two, change the tires and you could have a Trans Am WS6 handling in the same league too. At what point do you say "whoa"? Throw enough money and parts at a Yugo and it will handle great too. How difficult is it? I dunno...
Just to do the mods you listed - wheels, tires, exhaust and shocks, you're looking at around $4500, and you don't exactly have a "tuned" package, but you still have less power and more weight. Is that easier than checking the Z06 box?
Thin-wall cast-iron exhaust manifolds replace the previous stainless steel manifolds to improve durability, given the LS6 engine's potential for being involved in sustained high-speed driving.
By optimizing the design of the automatic transmission case, Corvette engineers were able to trim some material and reduce thickness in some areas to reduce mass by 3.3 pounds.
There's folks out there that would argue that by changing the shocks, addiing a bar or two, change the tires and you could have a Trans Am WS6 handling in the same league too. At what point do you say "whoa"? Throw enough money and parts at a Yugo and it will handle great too. How difficult is it? I dunno...
Just to do the mods you listed - wheels, tires, exhaust and shocks, you're looking at around $4500, and you don't exactly have a "tuned" package, but you still have less power and more weight. Is that easier than checking the Z06 box?
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (EuG)
Do you feel any difference in handling when you running ½ tank vs. full? (it’s ~55lb difference) ….I don’t….
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (Zoomin)
Thin-wall cast-iron exhaust manifolds replace the previous stainless steel manifolds to improve durability, given the LS6 engine's potential for being involved in sustained high-speed driving.
BTW: The above quote is such BS :bs it’s hilarious. :lol: :lol: Sounds like GM just found a way to cut costs w/o sacrificing performance by going to cast-iron, that’s all. LOL
By optimizing the design of the automatic transmission case, Corvette engineers were able to trim some material and reduce thickness in some areas to reduce mass by 3.3 pounds.
What does it have to with Z06? 
There's lot of little things that have been done to trim some weight, but the end result is the 100 lbs we're talking about. Given that both cars have to carry gas, that's a wash, if both are at the same level. If not there could be 110 lbs difference, or a potential of 210 lbs now.
There's folks out there that would argue that by changing the shocks, addiing a bar or two, change the tires and you could have a Trans Am WS6 handling in the same league too. At what point do you say "whoa"? Throw enough money and parts at a Yugo and it will handle great too. How difficult is it?
Comparing to a TransAm.... :rolleyes: Dude, why can’t you just realize it’s the same f**king car! Just a bit hotter package from factory.
The original question asks:
How hard would it be to bring a C5 coupe up to a Z06's level of handling? I know a C5 coupe owner who claims that this would be a trivial task.
I’m not trying to “belittle” Z06 or anything like that :nono: Why do some of you guys have to get so defensive right away
You start bringing up more HP different tranny, etc, etc. and we were not even talking about that :rolleyes:Some of you must read in to GMs marketing BS too much and actually think it’s a completely different car or something or what? :confused:
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (EuG)
Some of you must read in to GMs marketing BS too much and actually think it’s a completely different car or something or what? :confused:
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (RatRacer)
I could say the same thing about C5 owners in general... but of course, I won't. :blueangel:
C'mon guys, life is too short. Enjoy what ya brung to the party! I've owned many Corvettes over the years, some better than others. But the WORST Corvette I ever owned was world's better than none at all! :yesnod:
C'mon guys, life is too short. Enjoy what ya brung to the party! I've owned many Corvettes over the years, some better than others. But the WORST Corvette I ever owned was world's better than none at all! :yesnod:
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (RatRacer)
:cry :cry :cry :cry
Don't start with the "elitist" and "closed minded" crap. I'm just trying to help educate you guys on the differences that go into the Z06, that's all. :rolleyes:
Look - when you think about how hard it is to save 100 lbs of weight in a car that was already on a slim fast plan to begin with, that's an accomplishment that should not be trivialized. The Vette team did a great job. To say that you could come up with a package that handles the same by merely changing the tires is a bit ludicrous. If so, why not a toss a tire option out there and be done with it?
The fact remains if you throw both cars on the scales and the skidpad the difference is there, I don't care what your opinion is on GM's marketing b.s..
Still in denial, I guess....
Don't start with the "elitist" and "closed minded" crap. I'm just trying to help educate you guys on the differences that go into the Z06, that's all. :rolleyes:
Look - when you think about how hard it is to save 100 lbs of weight in a car that was already on a slim fast plan to begin with, that's an accomplishment that should not be trivialized. The Vette team did a great job. To say that you could come up with a package that handles the same by merely changing the tires is a bit ludicrous. If so, why not a toss a tire option out there and be done with it?
The fact remains if you throw both cars on the scales and the skidpad the difference is there, I don't care what your opinion is on GM's marketing b.s..
Still in denial, I guess....
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (Zoomin)
Look - when you think about how hard it is to save 100 lbs of weight in a car that was already on a slim fast plan to begin with, that's an accomplishment that should not be trivialized.
If so, why not a toss a tire option out there and be done with it?
Perhaps the same reason they won’t put LS6 in Coupe/Vert? :rolleyes:
Still in denial, I guess....
It looks like it’s pointless to continue this argument with you :(
Tell you what though, I’ll make it a point to meet up with a local Z06 owner and hopefully swap rides for a few spins. I’ll report back with personal experience on this subject :yesnod:
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (EuG)
EuG -
I look forward to your unbiased report! :yesnod:
Please don't take my comments personally. The internet is not the best way to convey ideas sometimes, and I'm sure we are closer to agremment than we might think.
Anyway, nothing wrong with a discussion on the merits, is there?
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I look forward to your unbiased report! :yesnod:
Please don't take my comments personally. The internet is not the best way to convey ideas sometimes, and I'm sure we are closer to agremment than we might think.
Anyway, nothing wrong with a discussion on the merits, is there?
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (rbartick)
One question - If a major car mag say Car & Driver wanted to do a "TOP SPEED SHOOT OUT", which C5 would Chevy send to defend it's honor? I bet it's the Z06? Just a guess. Any thoughts.
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Re: C5 Coupe vs Z06 (AFVETTE)
One question - If a major car mag say Car & Driver wanted to do a "TOP SPEED SHOOT OUT", which C5 would Chevy send to defend it's honor? I bet it's the Z06? Just a guess. Any thoughts.
Coupe has a slightly higher top speed 177MPH (drag limited) if I remember correctly.
Of course if GM put LS6 in a couple it would be even faster, same if Z06 had higher 5th gear…
