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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 01:04 PM
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My 04 Z has about 10,000 miles and I am wondering if anyone can give the pros-cons of the A & A supercharger kit vs the heads/cam/headers route.
I like naturally aspirated engines for the linear power delivery, but for the same money it sounds like you can get less emissions/driveability problems and 100 more hp with the blower.
I'm sure this has been discussed before, if anyone can weigh with their advice or maybe direct me to an earlier link, would appreciate it.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 02:01 PM
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Hi. Adding a SC to your car will maintain driveability and maintain original gas mileage during normal driving. heads by themself won't necessarily change driveability too much. The cam change is where you will start to change things, a more radical cam will affect driveability and will significantly reduce your fuel mileage across the board. You will gain more power and maintain great driveability with the SC.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 02:12 PM
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thanks for the reply. I still have the stock Goodyears but will be changing to Pilot Sports. Hopefully they will improve grip, but since I dont have traction now, even in 2nd gear, with the stock motor, how do you possibly have traction with the blown motor?
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 02:25 PM
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I have a custom grind cam and the best holding street tires I have used are the Nitto. I have the NT05. You may want to check theese out.

I don't know much about blowers since all of my LS engines have always gone the H/C route. Good luck I am sure you will be happy with which ever route you go.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by George T.
thanks for the reply. I still have the stock Goodyears but will be changing to Pilot Sports. Hopefully they will improve grip, but since I dont have traction now, even in 2nd gear, with the stock motor, how do you possibly have traction with the blown motor?
You'll definitely notice an increase in grip. A 7+ year-old tire has dried/hardened significantly in most cases and is not good for traction, regardless of mileage or tread depth.

My advice is to hold off on major mods until you learn how to control your car extremely well at its stock power level. Based on your comments, it seems you haven't done this yet (no offense intended).
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 03:28 PM
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The ol "get used to the power you already have" rule of thumb is pretty good advice, but some of us choose to ignore it anyway. Many have made this decision in the course of modding their cars, including myself. I choose the H/C, full bolt-on way, and I was very pleased with the result, but I always wanted a power adder. Of course, after "finishing" my NA build, the stock clutch gave up the fight. So, needing a clutch, but knowing a SC would be alot of fun, I ended up doing both. A&A had an incredible sale, and I could no longer resist. The smart way would be to start off with the SC kit. It's much easier to add boost, than bolting on better components. Besides, as time and budget allows, you can do it all eventually. I would buy headers, but not install them until you're ready to install the SC. You have to almost totally remove them anyway. If you want another 30-50 HP, add a nice blower cam, and valve springs, which you need anyway. Allow budget for a clutch; you'll need one. Good luck with your decision.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 04:00 PM
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Thank you, I guess what I am trying to say is, my car before this was a heavily modified 1986 911 turbo. It had big cams, high boost, big intercoolers, the usual. Nothing off the line, but once it was on the highway the power would come on like a hurricane. The Z in stock form has more ***** down low but wouldnt touch it on the highway. With a few mods, however, I'm sure it would. The thing is, the Porsche felt like it would handle whatever power you could put into it; it was very stable, even though it was stone age and had no traction control or anything like that. The Z is a little more squirrelly, and I think its because the V8 power comnes on so strong, so soon. I'm just wondering about the squirrelly factor of the blower as compared to the heads/cam.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 06:00 PM
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It's your tires. My car is stock with Michelin Pilot Sports and it's very stable under power. You'll be amazed at the difference.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 06:06 PM
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Thank you, I'm going to go with the Michelin Pilot Sport 315/30/18 and 275/40/17 on the stock wheels, assuming the tire guy doesnt give me a hard time about that size, and also look up the alignment specs on this site for street duty.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 06:39 PM
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I don't know much about Porsches, then or now. Was your '86 an AWD? I'm assuming it wasn't, but regardless, the steering response of a Corvette is nothing like a Porsche. A cruder, more sledgehammer like device for going fast, that gets the job done. With those tires, and maybe some suspension mods, it'll out corner your old car pretty easily, but, it won't feel like it's faster. And with engine mods, it'll be a handful. Worth it, though, because it's pretty cheap to make a Corvette really fast.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AZ 7TVETTE
It's your tires. My car is stock with Michelin Pilot Sports and it's very stable under power. You'll be amazed at the difference.
Are you talking about the PS2s, or the Sports that come standard on new Porsche 911 Turbos?
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 06:50 PM
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Zeevette, my old Porsche wasnt all wheel drive. Also, maybe compared to the new Porsches costing twice as much the Vette could be seen as cruder but definitely not compared to mine. That thing was the real deal just like the Vette.
I will be looking at the latest Pilot Sports available for the Vette, I assume the PS2's.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 07:12 PM
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I was also on the fence about going supercharger or a nice head/cam/intake setup. I am choosing to go NA as that's what i wanted to do all along. After adding up all the parts on my list i am only about 700 shy of a new A&A kit. So at this point so it wasn't much cheaper but I didnt do a budget setup either. TFS heads/ported fast, and all the other small parts to finish out the parts list. You will need a clutch with either setup eventually as well so add that to the list. You can get some money back from heads and intake if you go head/cam/intake route also which you cant with a supercharger. Like most people say it all depends on what your goals are and your budget.
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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by George T.
Zeevette, my old Porsche wasnt all wheel drive. Also, maybe compared to the new Porsches costing twice as much the Vette could be seen as cruder but definitely not compared to mine. That thing was the real deal just like the Vette.
I will be looking at the latest Pilot Sports available for the Vette, I assume the PS2's.
The PS2s are supposed to be the best all-around high performance tire made, this opinion usually voiced by people that have paid the very high price of ownership. I was asking about the Michelins that come standard on the new 911 turbo. They're called "Sports" too, but they are darn near a race tire. I just don't know exactly what their name is. If you don't mind short life, and don't drive your car when it's slick, they sound like an awesome street tire. I'm too cheap for Michelins; I recently bought a set of Nitto Invos, and really like them, except they pick up every little pebble on the road, and pelt the underside of the car. Very annoying. Other than that, the Invos are very quiet compared to my very old Michelin PS that came with the used wheels I bought.
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There are a few things that I don't like about the blower route:

Added weight- I know it's not that much weight, but still...

Belt slip/throw- The new set-ups seem to have much less of this issue.

Octane- It's getting hard to find good gas anymore and I'd rather not fuss with a meth kit or race fuel/xylene/whatever.

I haven't had a boosted car since my old Grand National back in the early 1990s and miss it sometimes...hard to beat FI for big power.
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Blower/thread
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Just remembered the name of those tires. Michelin Sport Cup tires. Very sticky, and street legal near-race rubber.
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Blower/thread


Who cares about what STREET TIRES you get... they will be turned to smoke anyway below 4th gear.
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Why not Turbo with an electronic boost controller?
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Why not Turbo with an electronic boost controller?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

That's why.
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