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Old May 28, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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I don't think I would deviate too much from 31 cold @ all 4 corners
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Old May 29, 2011 | 09:51 AM
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I have 18/19's and I run 30 on all 4's and I got 38,000 on my last set of Generals. On my second set now. This is my DD
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Old May 29, 2011 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Got uid0
LOL so you took a physics class and now an expert mechanic

Riddle me this Mr Wizard. You have 8" rims 17 / 18's and you change 3 foot wide rims with whatever size tires you can imagine.

You are telling me I am suppose to still use the PSI rating that the manufacture recommended for the stock rims and tires?

What if this new rim and tire size requires a different amount of PSI in order to seal the bead on the rim?

What page in your physics book should I turn to?
30PSI on all four.........just like it says on the door. Go re-read your physics book. Unless you change the weight of the car, tire pressures remain the same. Try not to make things up, like that maybe you're some kind of race car expert.
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Old May 29, 2011 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SEE3ER
If running General Exclaims UHP...19 fronts, 20 rears, what is the proper tire pressure for normal highway driving? The side walls read- not to exceed 51 PSI, but this cant be the set pressure?
51 is max if you have a full load...thats waaaay too much for normal load driving...even 30 cold builds up too much psi in the summer...I would go with 30-31 hot in the summer...
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Old May 29, 2011 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ztheusa
30PSI on all four.........just like it says on the door. Go re-read your physics book. Unless you change the weight of the car, tire pressures remain the same. Try not to make things up, like that maybe you're some kind of race car expert.
Look you keep wanting to argue a point that i am not arguing. So please just read and understand.
From PSI Digest http://www.psitiredigest.com/tiredigestOct10.pdf

Air is what carries the load and as a
result the recommended tire pressure must
be based on the worst case load that the tire
will actually carry. The important piece of
the puzzle is that a fleet must determine the
actual worst case load per tire, not vehicle,
for steer, drive, and trailer positions.
I understand that you are suggesting a "normal" minimal PSI based on the placard for the weight of the car. THIS IS NOT THE ARGUMENT or the OPS question. You do not have to be a professional racer to understand when to change PSI in your tires. If you are unaware of this then I guess you have never stepped foot on any kind of track.

On the track speeds and cornering forces tend to be higher, you can tell the drop off of grip.

In wet conditions higher inflated tires will be more resistant to aqua planing. Also properly inflated tires decrease rolling resistance and improve fuel consumption. THIS IS MY POINT it depends on your application and use of said tire!


I have suggested to use a different PSI for performance of life of his larger rim/tire combo.

Look Stunt drivers, CIA, FBI, Police, Look up Bobby Ore, 30 years of stunt driving experience, 13 world driving records they all OVER INFLATE their tires.


Driving Under Pressure
Proper Tire Pressure Could Save Your Life

SGT. DAVE STORTON
EVOC Contributor
Officer.com


Courtesy Bobby Ore Motorsports

How many officers check the tire pressure on their patrol car on a regular basis? We all seem to be great at checking that the lights and siren work, because the time to find out they don't work is not when you get a Code 3 call. Likewise, the time to find out your tire pressure is too low is not when you are in a pursuit and trying to take a corner at high speed.

What is proper pressure?

The proper tire pressure for the Police Crown Victoria is 44 psi. If you look on the sidewall of the tire, you will see that it lists 44 psi max pressure. Regardless of what vehicle you have, use the maximum pressure listed on the sidewall. Higher pressure results in better performance, decreased tire wear, and it lessens your chance of hydroplaning at a given speed. This number on the sidewall lists the maximum amount of pressure you should ever put in the tire under normal driving conditions. Pursuits and Code 3 responses are not normal driving conditions. Many agencies maintain tire pressure at 35 psi since this is what is listed in the owner's manual and on the door placard. The reason the owner's manual lists 35 psi is because we get the same manual as the civilian version of the Crown Victoria. The police version, however, is fully loaded with communications equipment, a cage, and your gear. You are not looking for a soft and cushy ride, you want performance.

Myths about pressure

Let's put to rest some common misconceptions. The tires will not balloon out creating a peak in the center portion of the tread when tire pressure is above 35 psi. There is a steel belt that prevents this from happening. Also, you are not overstressing the tire with higher pressure, and the tire will not be forced off the rim with higher pressure. The picture above is Bobby Ore of Bobby Ore Motorsports driving a Ford Ranger on two wheels. The tires on the left side have 100 psi in them, and they happen to be tires and rims from a 1999 Crown Victoria! This is a dramatic example of how pressure holds the tire in shape, and how much stress a tire can handle.

Performance

If you were able to watch a tire as it travels across the ground at high speed, you would see that it deflects to one side during cornering. The faster you are going through a corner, the more tire deflection you get. As the tire deflects over onto the sidewall, you get less traction and more of a tendency to understeer or oversteer. This could spell disaster when negotiating a corner at high speed during a pursuit or a Code 3 run. Higher pressure keeps the tire from deflecting onto the sidewall as much, which keeps more of the treaded portion on the road.

A good demonstration for EVOC instructors is to have students drive a high-speed course in a vehicle with 32 to 35 psi. Then have them run the same course with 44 to 50 psi in the tires. The student will experience a marked difference in performance. Having officers experience this difference in vehicle performance is much more effective than just telling them to check their tire pressure.

Hydroplaning

When a tire rolls across a road covered with water, the tire tread channels water away so the rubber remains in contact with the road. The factors that affect hydroplaning are speed, and water depth. Conventional wisdom says that vehicles will hydroplane in as little as 1/16th of an inch of water. Not so coincidentally, legal tread depth is 1/16th of an inch.

Tire manufactures and the Association of Law Enforcement Emergency Response Trainers International (ALERT) have shown that tires have more of a tendency to hydroplane when pressure is low. This happens because the tire footprint (the portion of the tire actually in contact with the road) is larger. For those of you who water ski, think of which is easier to get up on: a fat ski or a skinny ski. More tire surface in contact with the water makes it easier to hydroplane, just as it is easier to water ski on a fat ski. Also, a soft tire can be pushed in more by the pressure of the water on the center portion of the tread. This results in less rubber in contact with the road.

Tire wear

Much better tire wear results from maintaining proper pressure. Tires with lower pressure will wear off the outside of the tread faster from the deflection of the tire during cornering, and the tires will heat up more from increased road friction. This is one of the factors that caused the failure of a certain brand of tires on Ford Explorers some years ago. In 1999 the San Jose Police Department realized a significant cost savings by increasing the pressure in the training fleet to 50 psi. They soon followed up by increasing the pressure in the patrol fleet to 44 psi. For liability reasons, most agencies are reluctant to exceed the maximum pressure listed on the tire for actual patrol vehicles, but they reap the cost saving when going to 50 psi on training vehicles.

Next time you inspect your vehicle, make sure you check your tire pressure since your ability to performance drive is significantly affected by it. You are not driving to the store to get a loaf of bread! You may be called upon to chase a dangerous criminal or respond to assist another officer in trouble. You don't wonder whether or not your gun is loaded before you hit the street; don't wonder whether your tire pressure is correct once the pursuit starts. Check your tires routinely, just as you do with all other critical equipment.


Read http://www.psitiredigest.com/index.html

http://www.psitiredigest.com/tiredigestOct10.pdf

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Old May 29, 2011 | 03:07 PM
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Nice post of article, but stupid.................I used to put 35 pounds in a police cushman scooter tire, yeah it handled better, with less lean in turns, but then learned my leason when a rear tire blew out on a turn and the vehicle almost turned over..................Put the spare on, and within 2hrs, it blew. Reduced all tires to proper inflation.

Just inspected the tires on my wife's Mercedes, I have always kept the rears at 32, book states 30, guess what? The center of the tires on the rear are almost worn through (overinflation), 20k on the tires, guess i'll be replaceing them soon...............I guess most police departments have the money to replace their tires every 10k...

My Solstice stated 29lbs, we on the Solstice thought that it was wierd, those who added a little more pressure had problems, more then one member sufferred a devastating 360 degree turn during wet weather driving while driving ahead straight. some even sufferred abrupt direction changes while in wet weather.

So-------------------the debate goes on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,remember your insurance company and LE will do a thorough investigation in a severe accident, you might lose the coverage............

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Old May 29, 2011 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jewjenk
Nice post of article, but stupid.................I used to put 35 pounds in a police cushman scooter tire, yeah it handled better, with less lean in turns, but then learned my leason when a rear tire blew out on a turn and the vehicle almost turned over..................Put the spare on, and within 2hrs, it blew. Reduced all tires to proper inflation.

Just inspected the tires on my wife's Mercedes, I have always kept the rears at 32, book states 30, guess what? The center of the tires on the rear are almost worn through (overinflation), 20k on the tires, guess i'll be replaceing them soon...............I guess most police departments have the money to replace their tires every 10k...

My Solstice stated 29lbs, we on the Solstice thought that it was wierd, those who added a little more pressure had problems, more then one member sufferred a devastating 360 degree turn during wet weather driving while driving ahead straight. some even sufferred abrupt direction changes while in wet weather.

So-------------------the debate goes on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,remember your insurance company and LE will do a thorough investigation in a severe accident, you might lose the coverage............
I posted from someone who clearly has a lot of experience.

Perhaps the issues with the solstice you experienced is actually due to a defective tire and not the PSI. I did a simple search on the Solstice stock size tire 245/45 18 Goodyears and found that maxima owners were experiencing blow outs. The issue was found to be defects in the sidewalls of the tires. Remember the Ford Firestone failures? Tire defects happen.

http://forums.maxima.org/6th-generat...-blowouts.html

GO to your local auto cross meet and find out if they change their PSI in their tires to accommodate for performance. Your next stop should be at your local drag race track and ask if they lower their PSI.

Once again failure to understand there is not a 1 set PSI for all.

The displayed PSI on the Placard is the recommended PSI for the the worst case scenario (bare minimum) needed for the weight of the vehicle load. It does not account for steering response, drive experience or life of wear of the tread.

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Is that "Driving Under Pressure" article a joke? If not it's the biggest pile of I have ever read. The Mods really should remove it before someone actually reads and believes it.
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Originally Posted by Atok
Is that "Driving Under Pressure" article a joke? If not it's the biggest pile of I have ever read. The Mods really should remove it before someone actually reads and believes it.
higher inflation pressures usually provide an improvement in steering response and cornering stability up to a point. Underinflation causes blow outs and bad response. It is obvious choice for high performance use that Law enforcement chooses to use high PSI than to risk having tires under inflated.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11652

One of the warnings issued by Bridgestone/Firestone and Ford after it was revealed that defective tires may be linked to as many as 88 deaths and 1,400 crashes was that under-inflated tires are likely to overheat and burst.



http://nitrogentiremachine.com/prope..._inflation.htm

UNDER INFLATION
Under inflation is the most common cause of failures in any kind of tire and may result in severe cracking, component separation or "blowout," with unexpected loss of vehicle control and accident. Under inflation increases sidewall flexing and rolling resistance resulting in heat and mechanical damage. Under inflation can cause can cause many tire-related problems. Since a tire's load capacity is largely determined by its inflation pressure, under inflation results in an overloaded tire. An under inflated tire operates at high deflection resulting in decreased fuel economy, sluggish handling and may result in excessive mechanical flexing and heat buildup leading to catastrophic tire failure. Additionally, the tire's tread life could be reduced by as much as 25%. Lower inflation pressure will allow the tire to flex more as it rolls. This will build up internal heat, increase rolling resistance and cause a reduction in fuel economy of up to 5%. This also results in a significant loss of steering precision and cornering ability.

Wear On Both Edges: Cause... "UNDER INFLATION"

If your tire looks like this, it may be under inflated. Not having enough air in a tire is singly the worst thing you can do to a tire. Under inflation reduces tread life through increased tread wear on the outside edges (or shoulders) of the tire. It also generates excessive heat which reduces tire durability and can lead to tire failure. Finally, it reduces fuel economy through increased rolling resistance (soft tires make your vehicle work harder).

OVER INFLATION
If your tires are over inflated, they could be damaged more easily when running over potholes or debris in the road. Higher inflated tires cannot isolate road irregularities well, causing them to ride harsher. However, higher inflation pressures usually provide an improvement in steering response and cornering stability up to a point.

Tire footprint and traction are reduced when van, pickup, or RV tires are over inflated for the loads carried. In particular, tires with aggressive tread patterns may contribute to over steer or "road-walk" if inflated beyond the inflation pressure specified in the owner's manual and vehicle placard for standard or customary loads. Over inflation also increases the chances of bruise damage.

Wear In Center: Cause... "OVER INFLATION"

When a tire has too much air in it, the center of the tread bears most of the load and wears out faster than the outside edges. If a tire wears unevenly, the useful life is reduced and conversely the operating cost is increased. Additionally stopping distances will be increased because less tread area is contacting the road surface.
CHECKING TIRE FOOTPRINT WITH A CHALK LINE
Park on level ground and aim front tires straight ahead.

Draw a line completely across the tread.

Pull ahead 2-3 tire revolutions or until the chalk starts wearing off.

If the chalk mark is worn off equally across the width of the tread, the inflation pressure is correct.


If the chalk mark is worn off more in the center than at the edges, as shown here, the tire is over inflated.


If the chalk mark is worn off more at the edges than in the center, as shown here, the tire is under inflated.

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Originally Posted by Got uid0
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11652

LOL experts everywhere i suppose

One of the warnings issued by Bridgestone/Firestone and Ford after it was revealed that defective tires may be linked to as many as 88 deaths and 1,400 crashes was that under-inflated tires are likely to overheat and burst.
You obviously don't know the real cause of the Firestone deal. Do you know what a "gum strip" is? Look it up. You are spreading misinformation.

True that severely under-inflated tires will fail quicker but the under inflation in the Explorer case was well well under the pressure Ford recommended.

While you're looking up the gum-strip read up on the TREAD act as well. Here's a good summary link:

http://www.tireindustry.org/default.aspx?id=1198

Read the tire testing standards document starting on page #6. I'll quote...

"NHTSA intends to test all tires at 30 percent below placard or 20 psi, whichever is greater."

Yes, I do know a thing or two about this stuff, it's my job.
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You obviously don't know the real cause of the Firestone deal. Do you know what a "gum strip" is? Look it up. You are spreading misinformation.

True that severely under-inflated tires will fail quicker but the under inflation in the Explorer case was well well under the pressure Ford recommended.

While you're looking up the gum-strip read up on the TREAD act as well. Here's a good summary link:

http://www.tireindustry.org/default.aspx?id=1198

Read the tire testing standards document starting on page #6. I'll quote...

"NHTSA intends to test all tires at 30 percent below placard or 20 psi, whichever is greater."

Yes, I do know a thing or two about this stuff, it's my job.
If it is your job what is the argument? We both know that the PSI used depends on the application. The PSI on the door is the baseline PSI Minimum for load. It does not take into account for ride quality or performance or when hauling a trailor.

I am not recommending for anyone to over inflate their tires beyond maximum load bearing suggested PSI on the tire sidewall.

I have simply stated that Placard 30psi cold is a Suggested starting PSI for load that is all. Operating slightly above it is not going to cause you harm.

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Originally Posted by Got uid0
I have simply stated that Placard 30psi cold is a Suggested starting PSI for load that is all. Operating slightly above it is not going to cause you harm.
Agreed.

I disagree with the article you posted. Police cars running at the maximum inflation pressure on the tire... that's nuts. Also, the Myths section is incorrect, the contact patch does change with load and in fact your article mentions this in the Hydroplaning section. Anyway, I'm not arguing with you, just that article.
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Originally Posted by GoBallsDeep!
30 psi cold on all 4 corners.
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Originally Posted by Atok
Agreed.

I disagree with the article you posted. Police cars running at the maximum inflation pressure on the tire... that's nuts. Also, the Myths section is incorrect, the contact patch does change with load and in fact your article mentions this in the Hydroplaning section. Anyway, I'm not arguing with you, just that article.
I'm not driving in police chases or doing stunts and wouldn't follow the article either. Just thought it was interesting.

I know you don't want us to blame canada.
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Originally Posted by garage-ghost
The best way, I have found, to determine the best pressure for non stock sizes is the masking tape method. Get the tires warmed up, put a piece of 2” masking tape across the tread on all four tires. Drive it for a couple miles, then pull over and check the tape. Worn in the middle only, you need to drop the pressure, worn on the edges only, you need to increase the pressure, nice even wear across the tread and you got it.
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