What do u run for tire pressures?

Riddle me this Mr Wizard. You have 8" rims 17 / 18's and you change 3 foot wide rims with whatever size tires you can imagine.
You are telling me I am suppose to still use the PSI rating that the manufacture recommended for the stock rims and tires?
What if this new rim and tire size requires a different amount of PSI in order to seal the bead on the rim?
What page in your physics book should I turn to?

Air is what carries the load and as a
result the recommended tire pressure must
be based on the worst case load that the tire
will actually carry. The important piece of
the puzzle is that a fleet must determine the
actual worst case load per tire, not vehicle,
for steer, drive, and trailer positions.
On the track speeds and cornering forces tend to be higher, you can tell the drop off of grip.
In wet conditions higher inflated tires will be more resistant to aqua planing. Also properly inflated tires decrease rolling resistance and improve fuel consumption. THIS IS MY POINT it depends on your application and use of said tire!
I have suggested to use a different PSI for performance of life of his larger rim/tire combo.
Look Stunt drivers, CIA, FBI, Police, Look up Bobby Ore, 30 years of stunt driving experience, 13 world driving records they all OVER INFLATE their tires.
Driving Under Pressure
Proper Tire Pressure Could Save Your Life
SGT. DAVE STORTON
EVOC Contributor
Officer.com
Courtesy Bobby Ore Motorsports
How many officers check the tire pressure on their patrol car on a regular basis? We all seem to be great at checking that the lights and siren work, because the time to find out they don't work is not when you get a Code 3 call. Likewise, the time to find out your tire pressure is too low is not when you are in a pursuit and trying to take a corner at high speed.
What is proper pressure?
The proper tire pressure for the Police Crown Victoria is 44 psi. If you look on the sidewall of the tire, you will see that it lists 44 psi max pressure. Regardless of what vehicle you have, use the maximum pressure listed on the sidewall. Higher pressure results in better performance, decreased tire wear, and it lessens your chance of hydroplaning at a given speed. This number on the sidewall lists the maximum amount of pressure you should ever put in the tire under normal driving conditions. Pursuits and Code 3 responses are not normal driving conditions. Many agencies maintain tire pressure at 35 psi since this is what is listed in the owner's manual and on the door placard. The reason the owner's manual lists 35 psi is because we get the same manual as the civilian version of the Crown Victoria. The police version, however, is fully loaded with communications equipment, a cage, and your gear. You are not looking for a soft and cushy ride, you want performance.
Myths about pressure
Let's put to rest some common misconceptions. The tires will not balloon out creating a peak in the center portion of the tread when tire pressure is above 35 psi. There is a steel belt that prevents this from happening. Also, you are not overstressing the tire with higher pressure, and the tire will not be forced off the rim with higher pressure. The picture above is Bobby Ore of Bobby Ore Motorsports driving a Ford Ranger on two wheels. The tires on the left side have 100 psi in them, and they happen to be tires and rims from a 1999 Crown Victoria! This is a dramatic example of how pressure holds the tire in shape, and how much stress a tire can handle.
Performance
If you were able to watch a tire as it travels across the ground at high speed, you would see that it deflects to one side during cornering. The faster you are going through a corner, the more tire deflection you get. As the tire deflects over onto the sidewall, you get less traction and more of a tendency to understeer or oversteer. This could spell disaster when negotiating a corner at high speed during a pursuit or a Code 3 run. Higher pressure keeps the tire from deflecting onto the sidewall as much, which keeps more of the treaded portion on the road.
A good demonstration for EVOC instructors is to have students drive a high-speed course in a vehicle with 32 to 35 psi. Then have them run the same course with 44 to 50 psi in the tires. The student will experience a marked difference in performance. Having officers experience this difference in vehicle performance is much more effective than just telling them to check their tire pressure.
Hydroplaning
When a tire rolls across a road covered with water, the tire tread channels water away so the rubber remains in contact with the road. The factors that affect hydroplaning are speed, and water depth. Conventional wisdom says that vehicles will hydroplane in as little as 1/16th of an inch of water. Not so coincidentally, legal tread depth is 1/16th of an inch.
Tire manufactures and the Association of Law Enforcement Emergency Response Trainers International (ALERT) have shown that tires have more of a tendency to hydroplane when pressure is low. This happens because the tire footprint (the portion of the tire actually in contact with the road) is larger. For those of you who water ski, think of which is easier to get up on: a fat ski or a skinny ski. More tire surface in contact with the water makes it easier to hydroplane, just as it is easier to water ski on a fat ski. Also, a soft tire can be pushed in more by the pressure of the water on the center portion of the tread. This results in less rubber in contact with the road.
Tire wear
Much better tire wear results from maintaining proper pressure. Tires with lower pressure will wear off the outside of the tread faster from the deflection of the tire during cornering, and the tires will heat up more from increased road friction. This is one of the factors that caused the failure of a certain brand of tires on Ford Explorers some years ago. In 1999 the San Jose Police Department realized a significant cost savings by increasing the pressure in the training fleet to 50 psi. They soon followed up by increasing the pressure in the patrol fleet to 44 psi. For liability reasons, most agencies are reluctant to exceed the maximum pressure listed on the tire for actual patrol vehicles, but they reap the cost saving when going to 50 psi on training vehicles.
Next time you inspect your vehicle, make sure you check your tire pressure since your ability to performance drive is significantly affected by it. You are not driving to the store to get a loaf of bread! You may be called upon to chase a dangerous criminal or respond to assist another officer in trouble. You don't wonder whether or not your gun is loaded before you hit the street; don't wonder whether your tire pressure is correct once the pursuit starts. Check your tires routinely, just as you do with all other critical equipment.
Read http://www.psitiredigest.com/index.html
http://www.psitiredigest.com/tiredigestOct10.pdf
Last edited by Got uid0; May 29, 2011 at 02:04 PM.
Just inspected the tires on my wife's Mercedes, I have always kept the rears at 32, book states 30, guess what? The center of the tires on the rear are almost worn through (overinflation), 20k on the tires, guess i'll be replaceing them soon...............I guess most police departments have the money to replace their tires every 10k...
My Solstice stated 29lbs, we on the Solstice thought that it was wierd, those who added a little more pressure had problems, more then one member sufferred a devastating 360 degree turn during wet weather driving while driving ahead straight. some even sufferred abrupt direction changes while in wet weather.
So-------------------the debate goes on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,remember your insurance company and LE will do a thorough investigation in a severe accident, you might lose the coverage............
Last edited by Jewjenk; May 29, 2011 at 03:22 PM.
Just inspected the tires on my wife's Mercedes, I have always kept the rears at 32, book states 30, guess what? The center of the tires on the rear are almost worn through (overinflation), 20k on the tires, guess i'll be replaceing them soon...............I guess most police departments have the money to replace their tires every 10k...
My Solstice stated 29lbs, we on the Solstice thought that it was wierd, those who added a little more pressure had problems, more then one member sufferred a devastating 360 degree turn during wet weather driving while driving ahead straight. some even sufferred abrupt direction changes while in wet weather.
So-------------------the debate goes on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,remember your insurance company and LE will do a thorough investigation in a severe accident, you might lose the coverage............

Perhaps the issues with the solstice you experienced is actually due to a defective tire and not the PSI. I did a simple search on the Solstice stock size tire 245/45 18 Goodyears and found that maxima owners were experiencing blow outs. The issue was found to be defects in the sidewalls of the tires. Remember the Ford Firestone failures? Tire defects happen.
http://forums.maxima.org/6th-generat...-blowouts.html
GO to your local auto cross meet and find out if they change their PSI in their tires to accommodate for performance. Your next stop should be at your local drag race track and ask if they lower their PSI.
Once again failure to understand there is not a 1 set PSI for all.
The displayed PSI on the Placard is the recommended PSI for the the worst case scenario (bare minimum) needed for the weight of the vehicle load. It does not account for steering response, drive experience or life of wear of the tread.
Last edited by Got uid0; May 29, 2011 at 05:11 PM.
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http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11652
One of the warnings issued by Bridgestone/Firestone and Ford after it was revealed that defective tires may be linked to as many as 88 deaths and 1,400 crashes was that under-inflated tires are likely to overheat and burst.
http://nitrogentiremachine.com/prope..._inflation.htm
UNDER INFLATION
Under inflation is the most common cause of failures in any kind of tire and may result in severe cracking, component separation or "blowout," with unexpected loss of vehicle control and accident. Under inflation increases sidewall flexing and rolling resistance resulting in heat and mechanical damage. Under inflation can cause can cause many tire-related problems. Since a tire's load capacity is largely determined by its inflation pressure, under inflation results in an overloaded tire. An under inflated tire operates at high deflection resulting in decreased fuel economy, sluggish handling and may result in excessive mechanical flexing and heat buildup leading to catastrophic tire failure. Additionally, the tire's tread life could be reduced by as much as 25%. Lower inflation pressure will allow the tire to flex more as it rolls. This will build up internal heat, increase rolling resistance and cause a reduction in fuel economy of up to 5%. This also results in a significant loss of steering precision and cornering ability.
Wear On Both Edges: Cause... "UNDER INFLATION"
If your tire looks like this, it may be under inflated. Not having enough air in a tire is singly the worst thing you can do to a tire. Under inflation reduces tread life through increased tread wear on the outside edges (or shoulders) of the tire. It also generates excessive heat which reduces tire durability and can lead to tire failure. Finally, it reduces fuel economy through increased rolling resistance (soft tires make your vehicle work harder).
OVER INFLATION
If your tires are over inflated, they could be damaged more easily when running over potholes or debris in the road. Higher inflated tires cannot isolate road irregularities well, causing them to ride harsher. However, higher inflation pressures usually provide an improvement in steering response and cornering stability up to a point.
Tire footprint and traction are reduced when van, pickup, or RV tires are over inflated for the loads carried. In particular, tires with aggressive tread patterns may contribute to over steer or "road-walk" if inflated beyond the inflation pressure specified in the owner's manual and vehicle placard for standard or customary loads. Over inflation also increases the chances of bruise damage.
Wear In Center: Cause... "OVER INFLATION"
When a tire has too much air in it, the center of the tread bears most of the load and wears out faster than the outside edges. If a tire wears unevenly, the useful life is reduced and conversely the operating cost is increased. Additionally stopping distances will be increased because less tread area is contacting the road surface.
Park on level ground and aim front tires straight ahead.
Draw a line completely across the tread.
Pull ahead 2-3 tire revolutions or until the chalk starts wearing off.
If the chalk mark is worn off equally across the width of the tread, the inflation pressure is correct.
If the chalk mark is worn off more in the center than at the edges, as shown here, the tire is over inflated.
If the chalk mark is worn off more at the edges than in the center, as shown here, the tire is under inflated.
Last edited by Got uid0; May 29, 2011 at 04:51 PM.
LOL experts everywhere i suppose
One of the warnings issued by Bridgestone/Firestone and Ford after it was revealed that defective tires may be linked to as many as 88 deaths and 1,400 crashes was that under-inflated tires are likely to overheat and burst.
True that severely under-inflated tires will fail quicker but the under inflation in the Explorer case was well well under the pressure Ford recommended.
While you're looking up the gum-strip read up on the TREAD act as well. Here's a good summary link:
http://www.tireindustry.org/default.aspx?id=1198
Read the tire testing standards document starting on page #6. I'll quote...
"NHTSA intends to test all tires at 30 percent below placard or 20 psi, whichever is greater."
Yes, I do know a thing or two about this stuff, it's my job.
True that severely under-inflated tires will fail quicker but the under inflation in the Explorer case was well well under the pressure Ford recommended.
While you're looking up the gum-strip read up on the TREAD act as well. Here's a good summary link:
http://www.tireindustry.org/default.aspx?id=1198
Read the tire testing standards document starting on page #6. I'll quote...
"NHTSA intends to test all tires at 30 percent below placard or 20 psi, whichever is greater."
Yes, I do know a thing or two about this stuff, it's my job.
I am not recommending for anyone to over inflate their tires beyond maximum load bearing suggested PSI on the tire sidewall.
I have simply stated that Placard 30psi cold is a Suggested starting PSI for load that is all. Operating slightly above it is not going to cause you harm.
Last edited by Got uid0; May 29, 2011 at 07:15 PM.
I disagree with the article you posted. Police cars running at the maximum inflation pressure on the tire... that's nuts. Also, the Myths section is incorrect, the contact patch does change with load and in fact your article mentions this in the Hydroplaning section. Anyway, I'm not arguing with you, just that article.
I disagree with the article you posted. Police cars running at the maximum inflation pressure on the tire... that's nuts. Also, the Myths section is incorrect, the contact patch does change with load and in fact your article mentions this in the Hydroplaning section. Anyway, I'm not arguing with you, just that article.
I'm not driving in police chases or doing stunts and wouldn't follow the article either. Just thought it was interesting.I know you don't want us to blame canada.
























