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Old Nov 2, 2011 | 07:57 AM
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I have a 2001 6 sp. A few days ago, upon starting the car, the average gas milage reset to zero. no other info was lost.
two days ago, upon starting, I got a message to pull the key and wait 10 seconds. I restarted and all was fine. The same thing happened today.
Does somone know what is going on?
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Old Nov 2, 2011 | 07:59 AM
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look at the sticky thread at the top of C5 Tech....Column Lock...
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Old Nov 2, 2011 | 08:23 AM
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You may also want to make sure your battery is in good condition. Have you installed a column lock bypass yet?
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Old Nov 2, 2011 | 08:26 AM
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That message is definitely column lock related and you need to get a Column Lock Bypass asap. However, keep an eye on the voltage. Low voltage can cause erroneous messages to appear on the DIC. Should be about 14+ when running (mine is always 14.1). Not sure what it should be when not running (about 12 to 13 I think).
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Old Nov 2, 2011 | 09:05 AM
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Test your battery......not at your DIC but with a dvm or take it to an auto parts store that tests free.
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Old Nov 2, 2011 | 10:28 AM
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Sounds like your battery voltage is dipping below the minimum when cranking. If you check, I bet your HUD is resetting to oil pressure even though you left it on something else.
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Old Nov 2, 2011 | 10:34 AM
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i have not added a column lock bypass.never heard of this before. i'll chech the battery. it is a fairly new Odyssey that is supposed to be top a line.
thanks for the suggetions.
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Old Nov 2, 2011 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 4 KRUSIN
That message is definitely column lock related and you need to get a Column Lock Bypass asap. However, keep an eye on the voltage. Low voltage can cause erroneous messages to appear on the DIC. Should be about 14+ when running (mine is always 14.1). Not sure what it should be when not running (about 12 to 13 I think).
Mine did that two days ago, same message on DIC. I have a CLB installed and a new battery and the voltage when running is at 14+. It's been fine since...any suggestions here?

Mike
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It is possible that your key had some stuff/gook/dirt/lint on the resister chip when you put it in the ignition switch. The resister chip is a theft deterrent coded to your car and that happens if not correct contact in the switch.
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Originally Posted by mikesredvette
Mine did that two days ago, same message on DIC. I have a CLB installed and a new battery and the voltage when running is at 14+. It's been fine since...any suggestions here?

Mike
Is it possible that you are referring to having the GM recall(s) done (there were three), because I dont think you get the "pull key" message with the CLB installed. Its possible with really low voltage I guess, but I havent seen that complained about.

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It is possible that your key had some stuff/gook/dirt/lint on the resister chip when you put it in the ignition switch. The resister chip is a theft deterrent coded to your car and that happens if not correct contact in the switch.
I dont think failure to read the pellet gives the "pull key . . ." message. Good idea to rub some alcohol on it or a pencil eraser though, certainly cant hurt (and if thats it it wont be the first time Ive been wrong :-))
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And to the OP, yup you may have installed a "good" battery but unfortunately the C5 has a parasitic current draw a lot larger than most other cars (something like 20ma/hr or something.....others can be as low as 0.5 ma/hr) so it frequently eats batteries (not every C5, but a lot of them). The constant draw will kill even the best if it goes long enough. Thats why many of us use a battery tender when we dont DD the car.

Another possible culprit is the grounds. For some reason, they chose to ground most systems with ground packs that do not adequately seal out moisture so we get corrosion there and the power in the battery is only half the equation....if a ground is bad the circut wont draw or function properly.

This may get you started

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...n-long-30.html

Check out post #590 in this thread
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Originally Posted by 94centennial
I have a 2001 6 sp. A few days ago, upon starting the car, the average gas milage reset to zero. no other info was lost.
Does somone know what is going on?
My 2004 was doing the same thing. I replaced the battery, and that solved the problem.
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 94centennial
i have not added a column lock bypass.never heard of this before. i'll chech the battery. it is a fairly new Odyssey that is supposed to be top a line.
thanks for the suggetions.
Your car may have the bypass. With the key turned off, try to turn the wheel. If it turns, you have the bypass; if not, you should get one asap. The GM recall(s) did not fix the problem.
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Originally Posted by 4 KRUSIN
Your car may have the bypass. With the key turned off, try to turn the wheel. If it turns, you have the bypass; if not, you should get one asap. The GM recall(s) did not fix the problem.
That's just not correct. The locking ring could have been removed, the motor disconnected, or other things done that would keep it from locking with the key off and still not have the bypass. The bypass is an electrical solution that sends back a signal that all is well and doesn't physically move anything. If you haven't had one installed, you need to order one and install it.
Just a thought, are you leaving the key in the ignition between starts? Or did you get the warning when you inserted the key and tried to start?

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Originally Posted by 65GGvert
That's just not correct. The locking ring could have been removed, the motor disconnected, or other things done that would keep it from locking with the key off and still not have the bypass. The bypass is an electrical solution that sends back a signal that all is well and doesn't physically move anything. If you haven't had one installed, you need to order one and install it.
Just a thought, are you leaving the key in the ignition between starts? Or did you get the warning when you inserted the key and tried to start?
Interesting. My column locked a few years ago. I took the car (on a flat bed) to the dealership where it was fixed. They may have removed the lock ring, but did not tell me. I subsequently had a CLB installed and my steering turns with no key in the ignition. I always assumed it was because of the CLB. I'd be interested in some input from others on this.
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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So based on what I'm reading, including the recall, all I should have to do is go to the nearest Chevy dealer and request the recall be preformed? Is that correct?

Sounds like a better idea than spending $50.
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Thanks for the great information. I read that same information you posted in the frequent problem area after I had already posted my initial comment.

I'm going to check out the GMVIS but most likely do as you suggested and install the CLB override.

This forum is a wonderful place to learn about our cars
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Originally Posted by 4 KRUSIN
Your car may have the bypass. With the key turned off, try to turn the wheel. If it turns, you have the bypass; if not, you should get one asap. The GM recall(s) did not fix the problem.
The battery checks good. i do leave the key in. have not check to see if car has had CLB installed or any other work. i doubt that is has. i'm the 2nd owner and bought it 7 years ago with 2,900 miles.
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 07:51 AM
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My car has not had a CLB installed. I talked to GM. the prious owner had the recall work done in early 2004. should i go ahead with the CLB?
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I get that and I know its battery related. In the spring I am getting the right battery from the dealer.
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