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Why does your opinion matter?
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Le Mans Master
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Why does your opinion matter?
I just re-read the Oil Level thread and it dawned on me...
why don't we try and get some of the "experts" to lay out there credentials?
could be interesting.
I am no expert but I have a 4 year engineering degree, 30 years of experience working with machinery that is mechanical in nature. I am an ASE Certified Master Mechanic. I am also certified as a Machinist for Submarine Repair.
I would be interested to see what some of the experts who argue with Mr Bill and ET are toting for credentials?
any arm chair experts up to the challenge?
why don't we try and get some of the "experts" to lay out there credentials?
could be interesting.I am no expert but I have a 4 year engineering degree, 30 years of experience working with machinery that is mechanical in nature. I am an ASE Certified Master Mechanic. I am also certified as a Machinist for Submarine Repair.
I would be interested to see what some of the experts who argue with Mr Bill and ET are toting for credentials?
any arm chair experts up to the challenge?
Melting Slicks
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Meh. "Comparing credentials" is simply a euphemism for "dick-size contest". In 30+ years of aerospace engineering, I never saw an instance where that wasn't true.
What I like to see in a technical discussion/argument is logic backed up by documentation. ET provided both in his answer to my question, and that carries more weight than his credentials.
(The wording of his response was somewhat condescending, but I'll cut him some slack based on the amount of abuse he'd already taken at that point.)
What I like to see in a technical discussion/argument is logic backed up by documentation. ET provided both in his answer to my question, and that carries more weight than his credentials.
(The wording of his response was somewhat condescending, but I'll cut him some slack based on the amount of abuse he'd already taken at that point.)
Melting Slicks
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On a side note, I am by no means an expert. I do try & give my opinion/advice to folks when I have specific knowledge on a subject. Mostly because again I have gone thru a certain issue & found a solution that has worked. I also always give this advice to try & HELP. I do think that while credentials, education are important, that also needs to be accompanied by experience (after all life does not always go "by the book"). Like all forums, this place has folks that truly try & help & others that just criticize. I do feel that CF is a VALUABLE place that has helped me plenty over the years. I also understand that you are never too young or old to learn something. I for one, learned something out of that oil post. I will now pre-fill the filter. So, to me that thread was valuable.
ET & Mr. Bill have both helped me in the past & for that I an ever thankful.
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St. Jude Donor '13,'14
Not being an expert in mechanical things I have viewed enough posts and am smart enough to be more more than willing to accept what Mr Bill, or ET, say as likely being an accurate answer.
They give a lot to this forum and I don't get why some people cannot at least be polite or have something to back their statements up when they decide to disagree with them.
It's fine to disagree with anyone so long as you have a good reason to and can back it up with facts.
But then again opinions are just like azzholes - everyone has them - some just smell worse than others.
They give a lot to this forum and I don't get why some people cannot at least be polite or have something to back their statements up when they decide to disagree with them.
It's fine to disagree with anyone so long as you have a good reason to and can back it up with facts.
But then again opinions are just like azzholes - everyone has them - some just smell worse than others.
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Interesting point-- but how do you value academic credentials like engineering against hands on experience like a guy that owned and worked worked on a dozen Vettes over 20 years while he taught high school English?
I think we learn to recognize those opinions that have merit over those that are just thoughtful opinion . . or blowing smoke.
Just my .02 - -
I think we learn to recognize those opinions that have merit over those that are just thoughtful opinion . . or blowing smoke.
Just my .02 - -
Le Mans Master
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There does to be a few here whose input carries more weight than others.
I like to think I'm one of those, even though I may not post as often as some others that are respected. Mr's Bill, ET, along with the guy from England (sorry I'm old and forget names) are certainly among the respected.
I like to think I'm one of those, even though I may not post as often as some others that are respected. Mr's Bill, ET, along with the guy from England (sorry I'm old and forget names) are certainly among the respected.
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There does to be a few here whose input carries more weight than others.
I like to think I'm one of those, even though I may not post as often as some others that are respected. Mr's Bill, ET, along with the guy from England (sorry I'm old and forget names) are certainly among the respected.
I like to think I'm one of those, even though I may not post as often as some others that are respected. Mr's Bill, ET, along with the guy from England (sorry I'm old and forget names) are certainly among the respected.
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St. Jude Donor '09-'10, '14
I played HS football.
The problem with your question is you are assuming someone who is not an engineer has zero knowledge. Also some of what people claim as facts has no factual basis.
Like the oil change argument of recent.
I researched it.
No where does it say that you MUST insert oil in a filter. I've read it's suggested, I've read a lot of people do it, but nowhere have I read it's a must.
Our FSM doesn't mention it either.
So just because some here says something, does not necessarily make it fact.
What I do know is engineers THINK they're smarter than everyone else. There lies the problem.
The problem with your question is you are assuming someone who is not an engineer has zero knowledge. Also some of what people claim as facts has no factual basis.
Like the oil change argument of recent.
I researched it.
No where does it say that you MUST insert oil in a filter. I've read it's suggested, I've read a lot of people do it, but nowhere have I read it's a must.
Our FSM doesn't mention it either.
So just because some here says something, does not necessarily make it fact.
What I do know is engineers THINK they're smarter than everyone else. There lies the problem.
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St. Jude Donor '12-'13-'14
There does to be a few here whose input carries more weight than others.
I like to think I'm one of those, even though I may not post as often as some others that are respected. Mr's Bill, ET, along with the guy from England (sorry I'm old and forget names) are certainly among the respected.
I like to think I'm one of those, even though I may not post as often as some others that are respected. Mr's Bill, ET, along with the guy from England (sorry I'm old and forget names) are certainly among the respected.
Melting Slicks
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I too have wondered the same... why should I value one answer as opposed to the next?. There are certainly a stand out bunch that really know their stuff.
As discussed before a lot of the topics that surface here have been discussed in quite some detail at one time or another... And being on this forum let's just say a little too much, I absorb a ton of information about a wide variety of subject matter. I might not know an answer for sure but if I don't, I know where to go and find it and be of some help and share it with others. Crediting my sources as I go.
If it is a subject matter that I am completely unfamiliar with I simply buzz to the next thread, my input would be of no value. Maybe a "good luck with the issue you are having" but that's it. I'm not trying to give misinformation or pretend to know something I don't. Money can be wasted and time can be lost...
As discussed before a lot of the topics that surface here have been discussed in quite some detail at one time or another... And being on this forum let's just say a little too much, I absorb a ton of information about a wide variety of subject matter. I might not know an answer for sure but if I don't, I know where to go and find it and be of some help and share it with others. Crediting my sources as I go.
If it is a subject matter that I am completely unfamiliar with I simply buzz to the next thread, my input would be of no value. Maybe a "good luck with the issue you are having" but that's it. I'm not trying to give misinformation or pretend to know something I don't. Money can be wasted and time can be lost...
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So true, RetiredSFC. Through the years, I've met a fair number of engineers, and by and large they're a pretty arrogant lot. NEVER think they're wrong. And NEVER admit to it when they are. At least the ones I've met.
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Le Mans Master
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Interesting point-- but how do you value academic credentials like engineering against hands on experience like a guy that owned and worked worked on a dozen Vettes over 20 years while he taught high school English?
I think we learn to recognize those opinions that have merit over those that are just thoughtful opinion . . or blowing smoke.
Just my .02 - -
I think we learn to recognize those opinions that have merit over those that are just thoughtful opinion . . or blowing smoke.
Just my .02 - -
but the 20+ years of busted knuckles is in and of itself street credentials
I am more looking for say an individual who works in a non technical field that has owned a few Vettes but paid the stealer-ship to do work. doesn't even own a set of tools who then apply common sense and argue with experts
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Le Mans Master
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I played HS football.
The problem with your question is you are assuming someone who is not an engineer has zero knowledge. Also some of what people claim as facts has no factual basis.
Like the oil change argument of recent.
I researched it.
No where does it say that you MUST insert oil in a filter. I've read it's suggested, I've read a lot of people do it, but nowhere have I read it's a must.
Our FSM doesn't mention it either.
So just because some here says something, does not necessarily make it fact.
What I do know is engineers THINK they're smarter than everyone else. There lies the problem.
The problem with your question is you are assuming someone who is not an engineer has zero knowledge. Also some of what people claim as facts has no factual basis.
Like the oil change argument of recent.
I researched it.
No where does it say that you MUST insert oil in a filter. I've read it's suggested, I've read a lot of people do it, but nowhere have I read it's a must.
Our FSM doesn't mention it either.
So just because some here says something, does not necessarily make it fact.
What I do know is engineers THINK they're smarter than everyone else. There lies the problem.
I found this on the Bergmen Engineering website. This is a right up on a new oil filter adapter they make for Kawasaki Bikes.
Note the #3 feature that makes this a better design.
A few of the many features:
1.Simple, rugged, very strong design, precision machined from the best and strongest materials available and all parts are 100% quality control inspected. This is a highly engineered design.
2.Designed to be compatible with more than 68 modern, inexpensive automotive and motorcycle specific spin-on oil filter models with superior filtering performance available from literally dozens of oil filter manufacturers and resellers.
3.Unique to this Adaptor, it allows the pre-filling of the oil filter with the motor oil of choice prior to installation. This greatly reduces the oil pressure build-up lag inherent in the stock (or standard) oil filter apparatus at startup immediately following an oil/filter change.
