C5 or C7
Melting Slicks
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They are known for their reliability, especially compared to exotics. I've never heard of them being called money pits, so that's new to me. The cost of entry is definitely high though.
The 997 is typically well loved. The 996 is typically "hated" due to the fried egg headlights and low rent interior. Not to mention, it was the first water cooled 911. Cosmetically, the 997 is way closer to the 993 in overall looks. Are you sure you didn't mix up the generations some in your statement?
I personally like the C6 GS and C6Z and don't understand why C5 guys give them such a hard time.
The 997 is typically well loved. The 996 is typically "hated" due to the fried egg headlights and low rent interior. Not to mention, it was the first water cooled 911. Cosmetically, the 997 is way closer to the 993 in overall looks. Are you sure you didn't mix up the generations some in your statement?
I personally like the C6 GS and C6Z and don't understand why C5 guys give them such a hard time.
Even if your engine blows and they replace it for you (which most times they don't), you then once again roll the dice on your new engine, which also has the same chance of the CEF, as it was never rectified.
Then I found out this problem is not only limited to the boxters but other models as well.
Many Porsche owners are very unhappy, especially with the way they are treated by Porsche, who seems to own up to nothing and dump all costs back on the owner.
Its the typical german b.s all over again.
(edit) link below
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...e-911-996-3-4/
Last edited by 1Willy1; Aug 26, 2015 at 03:10 AM.
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I don't know man, I was into Porsches for a brief while and then I started doing research, originally I was into the boxters and quickly jumped ship after hearing about their "CEF's" ( catastrophic engine failures) brought on by some bearing or something.
Even if your engine blows and they replace it for you (which most times they don't), you then once again roll the dice on your new engine, which also has the same chance of the CEF, as it was never rectified.
Then I found out this problem is not only limited to the boxters but other models as well.
Many Porsche owners are very unhappy, especially with the way they are treated by Porsche, who seems to own up to nothing and dump all costs back on the owner.
Its the typical german b.s all over again.
(edit) link below
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...e-911-996-3-4/
Even if your engine blows and they replace it for you (which most times they don't), you then once again roll the dice on your new engine, which also has the same chance of the CEF, as it was never rectified.
Then I found out this problem is not only limited to the boxters but other models as well.
Many Porsche owners are very unhappy, especially with the way they are treated by Porsche, who seems to own up to nothing and dump all costs back on the owner.
Its the typical german b.s all over again.
(edit) link below
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...e-911-996-3-4/
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C5 or C7
You're referring to the IMS bearing. There are aftermarket companies making better replacements now and Porsche went through three designs themselves. Yes, it was a bad design and the way they handled it wasn't the best. There is actually a class action lawsuit out there that covers a certain vin range. The affected year model range cars can also be had for absolutely nothing because of the stigma. You can either pick a year that isn't affected or pick one up cheap and put a LN bearing in and enjoy your frugal Porsche. If you don't like the brand, or German cars in general, it's no big deal. No reason to go spewing BS around about how they are all junk though, especially when it's not the case.
We've had our share of issues as well...LS6 valve springs and LS7 valve guides, anyone?
Melting Slicks
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I'm on my 9th Vette= a C5 (2004) torch red vert. I have tons of interior and exterior mods and a Chuck CoW tune. I debated months about getting a new Vette or a new dd. I love my 04 and decided that it was better to keep it and get a new dd- a BMW 650i Xdrive vert. They look awesome in the garage next to each other and the Vette is still a stunning car and I can manage it even with a lousy back. I think the C7 is awesome but went a little too far in the design. Just my 0.2
Melting Slicks
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You're referring to the IMS bearing. There are aftermarket companies making better replacements now and Porsche went through three designs themselves. Yes, it was a bad design and the way they handled it wasn't the best. There is actually a class action lawsuit out there that covers a certain vin range. The affected year model range cars can also be had for absolutely nothing because of the stigma. You can either pick a year that isn't affected or pick one up cheap and put a LN bearing in and enjoy your frugal Porsche. If you don't like the brand, or German cars in general, it's no big deal. No reason to go spewing BS around about how they are all junk though, especially when it's not the case.
I tried to base my post on facts so I don't see how its b.s, my first original post was also a compliment to their styling.
I don't hate German cars, If I had extra money to waste you can be sure id be back on the AMG forums now. ( was there and got banned for voicing complaints about their reliability), But until then I have to be very smart and stick with Lexus.
I don't have any bias here, I just try to call it like it is .
The C5 probably has the cheapest build quality and interior ive ever seen in any car, but at least the cheap replacement parts , styling and drivetrain make up for it.
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I own a C5 and C3, and I feel that way about both of them. They will always look good. Now that's not to say I don't like the look of the C7. I absolutely do. But I can't help but think that design will not age well.
Melting Slicks
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Actually they are even nicer then the C5's , only problem is they are very dated and lack all of the C5's up to date features.
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The number of times I've gotten the comment "Is that the new Vette?" Or "Someday if I win the Lotto I'm getting one like yours!"
Tells me I already have a new Vette.....every year I drive it....LOL!
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Maybe 5 parking spaces away from the closest car,
as always.
This guy that had to be at least 75-80 years old went walking up to it. He said something like "That is one beautiful piece of machinery"
We spoke a little and I left.
Now that wasn't the GRUMPY OLD MAN.
A young at heart cool guy that didn't forget what having fun is all about. Not somebody that retires and dies 1 year later.
to him
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This guy that had to be at least 75-80 years old went walking up to it. He said something like "That is one beautiful piece of machinery"
We spoke a little and I left.
Now that wasn't the GRUMPY OLD MAN.
A young at heart cool guy that didn't forget what having fun is all about. Not somebody that retires and dies 1 year later.
to him
We spoke a little and I left.
Now that wasn't the GRUMPY OLD MAN.
A young at heart cool guy that didn't forget what having fun is all about. Not somebody that retires and dies 1 year later.
to him
I'm reminded of meeting Sam Maloof, the woodworker, not long before his death at 90+. His only admitted vice was his Porsche 911: he bought a new one every couple of years, and was well known for driving it around the local roads in a somewhat, um, spirited fashion.
The cool bit was how the local cops all knew his car and left him alone.
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I am coming from the perspective as a C6 owner. Over the years I have always appreciated the performance offered by each generation of Corvette. Each generation is timeless.
When you compare each generation Corvette to other two seat sport cars from similar production years, the Corvette is always near the top. Often Corvette was at the top of many magazine comparisons.
Go look at some old Road and Track or Car and Driver magazines to see the test results. Especially on a race track, Corvettes over the years have outperformed many Porsches.
When you compare each generation Corvette to other two seat sport cars from similar production years, the Corvette is always near the top. Often Corvette was at the top of many magazine comparisons.
Go look at some old Road and Track or Car and Driver magazines to see the test results. Especially on a race track, Corvettes over the years have outperformed many Porsches.
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I can't find the picture somebody posted here showing the interior of the C5. I was reminded of just how ugly the steering wheel is. Just a big flat slab with nothing on it. I think it may be the ugliest one I have ever seen on a modern car.
A C5 indented logo in the center, but nothing else. In my opinion the guy that came up with that design is a tasteless idiot. I love understated, but that is going WAY too far.
One of the first things I did was to use a colored C5 logo that fit over the indented one. I don’t have a pic, but it makes a WORLD OF IMPROVEMENT. It actually makes it look good, very good.
Why didn’t anybody notice that huge mistake before they started to sell the car?
I think they were all kicked back, smoking cigarettes and drinking beer as the thing rolled off of the assembly line, BURP………….
A C5 indented logo in the center, but nothing else. In my opinion the guy that came up with that design is a tasteless idiot. I love understated, but that is going WAY too far.
One of the first things I did was to use a colored C5 logo that fit over the indented one. I don’t have a pic, but it makes a WORLD OF IMPROVEMENT. It actually makes it look good, very good.
Why didn’t anybody notice that huge mistake before they started to sell the car?
I think they were all kicked back, smoking cigarettes and drinking beer as the thing rolled off of the assembly line, BURP………….
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It's a hard call to make given that the C7 is the shiny new toy, but in the end I would choose my C5Z. To me it is the perfect compromise - it has just enough technology to be comfortable, but is still raw and enjoyable to drive. I also prefer the smooth curves of the C5 over the sharp lines of the C6/C7.
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I can't find the picture somebody posted here showing the interior of the C5. I was reminded of just how ugly the steering wheel is. Just a big flat slab with nothing on it. I think it may be the ugliest one I have ever seen on a modern car.
A C5 indented logo in the center, but nothing else. In my opinion the guy that came up with that design is a tasteless idiot. I love understated, but that is going WAY too far.
One of the first things I did was to use a colored C5 logo that fit over the indented one. I don’t have a pic, but it makes a WORLD OF IMPROVEMENT. It actually makes it look good, very good.
Why didn’t anybody notice that huge mistake before they started to sell the car?
I think they were all kicked back, smoking cigarettes and drinking beer as the thing rolled off of the assembly line, BURP………….
A C5 indented logo in the center, but nothing else. In my opinion the guy that came up with that design is a tasteless idiot. I love understated, but that is going WAY too far.
One of the first things I did was to use a colored C5 logo that fit over the indented one. I don’t have a pic, but it makes a WORLD OF IMPROVEMENT. It actually makes it look good, very good.
Why didn’t anybody notice that huge mistake before they started to sell the car?
I think they were all kicked back, smoking cigarettes and drinking beer as the thing rolled off of the assembly line, BURP………….
The interior in general is just atrociously made, id bet a Pontiac sunfire or dodge stratus have a better interior trim then the C5.
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