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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 09:37 AM
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I did the research and decided to change the (yellow) valve springs on my 2002 c5z since it falls into the high risk category. I bought a new set of GM blue springs #12625033 and to be on the safe side checked all of them for tension. Every spring checked is 80 lb. @ 1.80 in. which is below the factory spec (90 lb.) for replacement. Has anybody else run into this problem and what did you do? Now I'm thinking I should just pull the trigger and buy the pac1218 springs. The car is a DD and sometimes I run it pretty hard so I don't want any problems down the road. I have found that GM is sourcing some of their replacement parts from China and I buy a lot of OE parts for all makes from the dealers for my business. What say you? Thanks, Gary.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:20 PM
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Haven't heard of any blue spring failures ...
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Im curious on this as well, replaced mine when i first bought the car. The new springs were blue and if i remember correctly the mechanic told me the replacements were not as stiff as the old yellow ones.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by grantv
Haven't heard of any blue spring failures ...
Now you have.

I broke one, around 30k miles.

Now has PAC 1218X on it.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY
Now you have.

I broke one, around 30k miles.

Now has PAC 1218X on it.
I'm bummed you broke a blue spring but thanks for reporting. You are the first I've heard of. I will be curious to see what the future holds for the blue springs.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 08:40 PM
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I went with the 1218x for peace of mind. No regrets.
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Old Jan 23, 2016 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY
Now you have.

I broke one, around 30k miles.

Now has PAC 1218X on it.
Did you track the car or mostly city driving?
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Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY
Now you have.

I broke one, around 30k miles.

Now has PAC 1218X on it.
30K miles on the motor or since you put in the blue springs?
Any motor damage?
What's the X? Never seen that...
Track the car?
Yes I know, too many questions.
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Pac 1218 or 1218x . The forum members are spot on. These are the springs to run hands down.
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 09:55 PM
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[QUOTE=grantv;1591383220]30K miles on the motor or since you put in the blue springs?
Any motor damage?
What's the X? Never seen that...
Track the car?
Yes I know, too many questions. [

The 1218 "x" is a added heat treatment to strengthen the springs even more than the 1218. Stock motor and cam. Just get the 1218 unless you want to spend the extra money. Get the PAC's though dont bother with blue oem or any other spring.
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No doubt the PAC's are the way to go, but just for clarification, are the blue GM springs better than the stock yellow springs? As far as strength...
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bwill03z
No doubt the PAC's are the way to go, but just for clarification, are the blue GM springs better than the stock yellow springs? As far as strength...

Yes.
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Old Feb 1, 2016 | 10:29 PM
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After a short search I found a set of pac1218 springs for $107 shipped (the GM springs were $56). These came in at 120 lbs. @ 1.8" which is still under spec (130 lbs.) according to what I found online. At least these are above the GM spec (90 lbs.) which is a reasonable margin of safety. I am using a Rimac valve spring checker and it has been the standard for many years. My advice to anyone changing springs is to have them checked just to be safe.
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I used the Brian Tooley Racing springs in mine when I did the cam swap...I have never heard of a failure from the use of them.
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Originally Posted by Ferg03 Z06
I used the Brian Tooley Racing springs in mine when I did the cam swap...I have never heard of a failure from the use of them.
May want to do some digging on his springs and failures.
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Old Feb 2, 2016 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY
May want to do some digging on his springs and failures.
Link(s)?

I have Brian Tooley springs in my LS6 as well. Can't seem to find any rash of failures.
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Old Feb 2, 2016 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary K Sr
I did the research and decided to change the (yellow) valve springs on my 2002 c5z since it falls into the high risk category. I bought a new set of GM blue springs #12625033 and to be on the safe side checked all of them for tension. Every spring checked is 80 lb. @ 1.80 in. which is below the factory spec (90 lb.) for replacement. Has anybody else run into this problem and what did you do? Now I'm thinking I should just pull the trigger and buy the pac1218 springs. The car is a DD and sometimes I run it pretty hard so I don't want any problems down the road. I have found that GM is sourcing some of their replacement parts from China and I buy a lot of OE parts for all makes from the dealers for my business. What say you? Thanks, Gary.
Maybe it's me but when both sets of springs come in 10lbs light..... Sounds like you need to check the height gauge on the Rimac and or calibrate it.

As for the spring to drop in there.... PAC-1218X, my daily job is valvetrain design and that's the piece to use if you aren't a cheapskate.
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PAC or PSI are pretty much the standard bearers of the valve spring industry.

PSI LS1511ML

http://www.psisprings.com/index.php?...les&Itemid=155
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I have the blue springs in my 02. I replaced the yellow's as soon as I bought the car about a year and a half ago. With about 5k miles on it since then, it runs just fine. Maybe i'll swap to the PACs for the peace of mind tho..
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Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY
May want to do some digging on his springs and failures.
I would be interested in that digging? As our springs have the absolute lowest failure rate of any springs at the same price point.

We had one or two unscrupulous people selling PEP or Chinese spring kits as ours, however they were put on notice once we found out who they were. The PEP/Chinese springs, retainers and boxes aren't even close to ours, so they're easy to spot.


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